SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
How he's going to ask 30 beta users to pay $1k/mo for his Partner Management Software
13 Feb 2024
Chapter 1: What is the main topic of the podcast episode?
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Again, they're pre-revenue, but plenty of runway with himself, his co-founder, who he gave a CTO, who gave a 40% equity to, and other employees own 10%. Four engineers, two to three are part-time, looking to move them over to full-time as they get to revenue. He's hoping to charge about a grand per month for the software to these 30 beta users when it launches. We'll see if he can get it done.
Chapter 2: Who is David Walsh and what is his background?
Hey folks, my guest today is David Walsh. He's a three-time founder with 10 years of experience as a startup leader, angel, investor, and CEO entrepreneur. Loves building companies, taking them from zero to one. Now working on Bundletech.io if you want to follow along. It's a B2B referral software for SaaS. David, you ready to take us to the top? Yeah, absolutely. Thanks for having me. All right.
You do have like a nightmare affiliate situation at a past company and that's how you got the idea for this or what?
That's a great starting point. Yeah, I launched a referral program in two separate companies, one back in 2018, and it was all Excel spreadsheets, email marketing, and I was like, this needs to be improved. So...
What needed to be improved? I mean, so many times founders think I got to build this out and then Excel wins long term because it's just the thing that's always there and it works.
Yeah, absolutely. I think I'll give you the kind of two headlines. The first one is a lot of times in B2B, so we're a B2B referral software. We help companies that are selling to other businesses. influenced the word of mouth of their current customers and users.
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Chapter 3: What challenges did David face in launching his referral software?
And for the most part, a lot of companies struggle with that. And right now, a lot of companies are looking for new ways to grow and more efficient ways to grow. So the timing was right. And so, yeah, the two things that we heard in customer interviews and doing conversations before we actually started to code anything was a lot of people aren't aware that there is a program in place for B2B.
It's at the bottom of a sitemap or it's an email marketing campaign. you aren't really aware that there is a program. And then if you are aware, the incentives are really poor. It's like $50 discount for your employer's subscription to the software. So we wanted to improve those two things. And we started with that problem set. And we have kind of a unique way in which we do that.
That makes a lot of sense. So walk me through how a customer say, well, first off, when did you launch the company?
So started building midway through last year. So it's still relatively new. And then, yeah, we officially kind of unveiled it and started launching in September of last year.
Okay, great. And any customers today are still beta?
Still have beta customers. We have like 30 customers signed up. We kind of had to put a break on the old business development just because we had quite a bit of interest at the beginning. And we wanted to just prove out with these early stage customers that we can help them drive revenue. So still beta, but good traction so far.
And then to those 30, they're paying or they're free beta?
Free trials, hopefully converting soon.
What's taking so long? Why not show them a paywall right now?
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Chapter 4: How does David plan to charge his beta users?
Who's we? You have a co-founder?
Yeah, me and a co-founder. And then there's a team of four engineers. So pretty heavy on the R&D side, which is quite deliberate.
How are you paying those engineers pre-revenue?
That's a great question. I initially funded it somewhat myself. Two of the engineers, to be transparent with you, are part-time converting to full-time. We actually just closed our pre-seed round in December of last year. How much was that for? We're closing up to 1.4 million.
Okay. How much has already closed?
Right now, just shy of a million. And we have a Soma Capital demo day tomorrow, which we're excited about. So trying to fill out the rest of the RAM before the end of the month.
That's great. And most folks raising pre-seeds right now are selling something like 20% of the company. Are you in that same range? Yeah, exactly.
And you know what, like right now I'm kind of deciding how much capital do we really need to execute the vision and the strategy to get to revenue because once we get to revenue, we should be able to raise another round. So those are all conversations we're having right now.
And I think it's more important about less about dilution, more important about strategic value add from the investors and building a good relationship with them.
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Chapter 5: What strategies did David use to acquire his first 30 beta users?
And then the 10% difference is actually for the option pool for early stage employees. I'm a big believer in getting the early team quite a significant amount of equity if they're a really good value add and then obviously on a four-year best.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's how we structured it today.
So employee stock option pool or ESOP 10%, CTO 30%, and you own 60% because you took the initial risk.
Yeah. Yeah. Well, actually it's six, sorry, 50 for me, 40. Oh. Yeah, 40 and then 10 for the option pool.
Yeah, it makes sense. You know, look, putting your own money in of your own baby is eating your own dog food. That's how you have to do it. Help me understand though, how painful was that? I mean, are we talking like a 5k check or like a 500k check?
I would say one additional component to that, I have just over a two-year-old son at home and child care and a high rent. So when you're making these risks and decisions as an entrepreneur, and this is my third time around, you really have to sit down and start to think about family planning. And it became a little bit more complicated this time with a kid.
So kind of wanted to get to revenue and wanted to get to investment as quickly as we could because, look, my job is to build and scale the company. I did put in...
a bit of cash it wasn't 5k it was a bit good bit more than that but it wasn't up to 500k um and let's see that was just to hire the early stage engineers and promise them kind of uh that if we get to revenue we'll we'll increase their their shares or their uh their comp package
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Chapter 6: How is David funding his startup before generating revenue?
That's awesome. All right. Well, we'll hope you convert them on that note, David. Let's wrap up with the famous five. Number one, your favorite book.
Oh, hard thing about hard things. Ben Horowitz. My wife slags me because I think I have five of them because I keep losing the book on holidays, but that's my favorite book.
That's funny. Number two, their CEO you're following or studying.
Oh, that's a good question. I mean, all of the major ones you can think about, but I really like Lattice's CEO. Yeah, Lattice.
Number, uh, Jack, right?
Yeah. Jack Altman. Sorry. Just went, skipped my head there. Yeah. Jack is actually, he actually was at Suster and he spoke on stage. He was phenomenal. Um, a big fan.
Number three, what's your favorite online tool?
Online tool. You know, it's cliche to say in this world, but actually, ChatGPT has been super helpful at the early stages of this company. Launching previous companies, it takes you a lot of time to build all this documentation. It's so fast. So I'd say that. I don't know. People don't like Slack. Personally, I do. It's pretty phenomenal in terms of getting work done. So that would be my second.
Mm-hmm.
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