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PE Just Ate JazzHR, Here are their metrics 1 year ago
13 Jul 2021
Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
So we are right now just under a 12-month kind of payback. So we're just about $2,000. Yeah.
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He is focused on building a company called Jazz HR. He's also a results-oriented executive with a 25-year history of strategic metrics-driven approaches to accelerating revenue. He's focused on the global small business market with deep experience and B2B high-velocity new customer acquisition.
As CEO of Jazz HR, Lampson is responsible for Jazz HR's strategic direction, company performance, day-to-day operations, and serves as a support center for his revenue teams. Pete, you ready to take us to the top?
It's great to be here again, Nathan, and yes, I am.
All right. So Jazz HR, folks missed that first episode. What do you sell to people?
So we provide recruiting solutions for small businesses, which we define as companies with between 25 and 500 employees. And what we do is we replace, in our target market, most customers are using some version of Microsoft Office, which is Excel docs and Word documents and email inbox management.
So we provide, we replace that with a very simple to use software solution that is very affordable, easy to use and with industry leading support.
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Chapter 2: What is JazzHR and what services do they provide?
And by the data we're seeing, literally at record levels.
And help me understand what a small business might pay you to use your platform. What do they pay on average per month?
So our account average is a little under $200 per month. Okay, so very consistent, isn't it? It's designed to be affordable. Our pricing starts as little as just $39 a month, so you can get the ball rolling in an even more affordable way, but average is, like I said, a little under $200 per month.
And launch date for the company was what year?
2009.
And you came on what year?
Tail end, December of 2015.
Okay, got it. And we covered, guys, how Pete came in in a last interview back from March 28, 2018. So we won't dive into that today. But give us an update. Pete, when you came on last, you guys had just broken about 3,500 customers. What are you at today?
Just under 7,000.
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Chapter 3: What are the unique metrics JazzHR is experiencing during the pandemic?
Wow, it's in perpetuity. Wow, okay. As long as their customers are paying us, we are paying them. We don't limit it after a 12-month period. Do you have any clause in that agreement?
No.
Sorry, I don't mean to cut you off there, but do you have any, I mean, one of the things I talk to VCs all the time about is just margin improvement in businesses.
And one quick way to get margin improvement in a business, obviously, if there's channel partners, a big chunk of it, is to have a clause in that channel partner agreement, all your channel partner agreements that say you have the right to buy out that rev share for forward-looking 12 months at any point in time.
That way, if you go out and raise $30 million, you essentially buy back whatever your rev share is with that partner. So 30% margin, right, for a forward-looking 12 months. Do you have that clause built into your channel partner agreements or no?
No, and we wouldn't. I mean, you know, yes, mathematically that will work and it'll look good on a spreadsheet. And yes, you will improve your gross margin short term. It's also a great way to limit sales. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, because after a period of time, that partner can just switch to a competitor of ours. Yeah. We use it as a retention strategy where-
they get to the point where they're getting a nice chunk of change from us every month and it builds up over time. If they leave us, they're walking away from that. And it takes time for them to rebuild that with someone else. So it's, it's, it's a, it's a benefit we're delighted to offer. And then the second way that we sell is, of course, resell.
And if our partners who are reselling, which would include ADP and others, what they effectively do is they're purchasing a Jazz HR subscription at a discount from our retail price, and then they then mark it up or not at however much they choose to do so and resell to their customers. So in that case, there is the button or a pure e-commerce solution that resides on our partner pages.
Now, Pete, 7,000 customers at about $190, $200 a month. I mean, it sounds like you guys have broken about $1.3, $1.4 million per month now in terms of MRR.
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Chapter 4: How does JazzHR's pricing model work for small businesses?
to Jazz HR where they can do a number of things. They can download a white paper, they can participate in a webinar, they can watch videos, but ultimately what we really hope they will migrate towards is beginning a free trial or request a product demonstration. And that's when our sales team really leans in.
And we have found that with the addition of a sales team that the lift in conversion rate more than covers the investment we're making in those sales staff. And on top of it, our north star is customer lifetime value. So if we look at the expense of a sales team, of a quota-carrying sales team, to bring in a customer who's going to stay with us for 10 years-ish on average,
With that through that lens, it's more than worth the investment. We don't look at it purely as the revenue we bring at the time of the initial sale because our retention metrics are such that people tend to stick with us for a long time. So the math works.
Speaking about lifetime value, obviously churn is critical to this. It's part of that lifetime value equation. Last time it came on in 2018, you told me annual revenue churn was about 12%. So actually fairly low, I would say, for this price point in this cohort. Is it still at around 12% or has it changed?
Ash, actually a little, our net retention now is about 0.8% per month.
Not retention, churn, sorry. Got it, got it. So your gross churn per month or your net churn? Our net churn. So net churn per month is, let's just call it 1%.
We're sub 1% net churn per month.
So you're under 12%. Yeah, that's great. Can you peel back that onion though for me? Because you have expansion revenue added to churn and that's where you get the one. So can you give me those two metrics?
So for on a gross basis, Our gross churn right now is still at about that 12% number. And our net is 1% per month, a little over 1% per month. And I mean, we're in the 1.2s generally. And then our net is when we, because of expansion revenue, which we define as both add-on sales and upgrades, is where it drops down below 1%.
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Chapter 5: How has JazzHR's customer base changed recently?
Easy to say, hard to do in the SMB market, as you suggested. So I hope so. Certainly, that's what we keep marching towards as best we can. We continue to make progress towards it. I don't know if we'll get there or not, but every tenth of a point of progress we make adds value to the company and to our customers.
So I hope we can get there, but even if we don't, it is an effort worth pursuing because even if we get halfway there from where we are now, we're better off.
Still better off, yeah. All right, Pete, let's wrap up with the famous five. Number one, favorite business book.
Well, my favorite hasn't changed. I think it's still the hard thing about hard things.
Number two, is there a founder that you really respect or admire?
I'll say Dave Maffi with Akumina.
Maffi, okay, great. Number three, what's your... NAFF, what? EI. EI. Number three, what's your favorite online tool for building jazz? It's Evolve. Right now, Sisense. Sisense. I haven't heard of those guys. They used to be Periscope. Oh, got it. Number four, how many hours of sleep do you get every night? Seven and a half. Okay. Not bad. And situation, married, single kids?
Married.
Married. How many kiddos? Any kids? Three. Three. Oh, a busy guy. All right. How old are you?
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