SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
She invented Gmail Send Later in 2010. Bootstrapping to $10m revenue with Boomerang CEO Aye Moah
22 Oct 2024
Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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check it out right now at getlatka.com i go by my last name mo is a burmese name and there's a whole different story on why we don't have a paternal last name system um i'm going to talk about well before we talk about what we're going to talk about i'll tell you what boomerang is we're the og of the email productivity category
Chapter 2: What is Boomerang and how did it revolutionize email management?
We invented the snooze button you now see in Gmail, Outlook, Superhuman, even Slack. It's a freemium-sets product that allows you to manage your inbox, follow-ups, and meeting scheduling. And we've been doing the PLG route before it even had a name. And at the beginning of this year, we decided that 2024 is going to be the year of experiments.
So far this year, we have executed 44 experiments, about one experiment a week, about that pace, a little bit more.
Chapter 3: What experiments did Boomerang implement to boost revenue?
They range from marketing, product improvement, product virality, billing practices, and a few more. And these experiments resulted in about 500K of ARR, 6% of our total revenue. And over the next 20 minutes, I'm going to talk about The three most interesting tests that we run are a journey to bootstrapping to 8 million and what's the benefit of choosing to run the company that way.
So the first one that I pick was because it's the highest impact in terms of revenue. We are a freemium SaaS, so as a freemium company, many of our trials will convert to free basic user at the end of their trial.
And this is just part of the funnel that we initially didn't spend too much time optimizing because our free to pay conversion was pretty good compared to the benchmark, so we kind of neglected it over the year. And when we were kind of looking at what experiments do start, it seems like a very good high impact with low effort ratio to start.
And over the four experiments, so it was, you know, four iterative experiments, we got about 250K worth of Astra new subscriber from free users converting to pay. And it's really kind of stupid simple.
Chapter 4: How did changing a button color impact subscription conversions?
We have this blue link. We're asking them to buy a subscription. We just switch it to the red button. And at some point, our team was joking that, should we rename the year of experiment to the year of big red buttons? So if you're on a marketing team or a founder with a marketing team, you go back and ask them, have you tried a red button? The next one is the easiest experiment you can do.
No code required. A marketing team, a marketing person, a founder can do it in one day. But before I do that, I want to ask, does everybody know what Dunning emails are? No?
Chapter 5: What are Dunning emails and how do they reduce involuntary churn?
Okay. So in a recurring subscription business, we have to charge them at the time of renewal. And for various reasons, credit card, bank account, any kind of technical anomalies, some of those payments will not go through. And they are called involuntary churn. And you want to really reduce involuntary churn because These customers are already paying for me. They love your product.
They are already using it. They don't want to leave. So why would you let them go, right?
Chapter 6: What lessons were learned from Boomerang's experimental approach?
And as we have tons of thousands of individual subscribers, for us, it's a great ROI to work on this part. Examples of Dunning emails are one for B2B Slack is your payment information up to date because something didn't go through. The one on the right is the Amazon B2C email. They are both violating the red button rules here.
So all we did was add three extra email that extended the time period from 13 days to 21 days and added the three extra email in the middle. And I'm sorry, I'm not talking about three extra email for every single experiment, but somehow that's what happened. The rules are you're going to increase urgency as you write the email.
The one really little known fact is you don't want to send those emails on the same weekday. There's a really weird quirky thing with bank account and credit cards. Sometimes you're like, oh, I'll just send every seven days a reminder to update your payment.
Chapter 7: How does Boomerang maintain a lean and efficient team structure?
Bad idea. You want to vary the cadence between the three, five, seven, so that you are not dropping on the same weekday. You want a clear CTA, again, ideally a red button. So we put three red button in the middle. And people are afraid of losing what they already have.
So if you basically point out what they are going to lose by not going and fixing this payment problem, they usually convert better. And I really don't think I need to say this, right? Remain polite and professional. I have gotten some businesses getting more desperate call salesman tactic of like, you got to do this now with the red exclamation point. You don't need to do that.
Chapter 8: What strategies does Boomerang use to empower its team members?
You can be polite, professional, and courteous, and that works a lot better. If you have B2B subscriber by invoices, it's still the same thing. There are some reason the invoices are not going through. You want to recover that, you can still do that. So what's the results? Our recovery went up 12%. That's like a big boost in retention. These subscribers are subscribers.
They already use Love Your Product. Don't you want to retain 12% more every single month? And we went from 29 percentile in our industry in our ticket side, this is from Recurly, so they have a benchmark for everybody who uses Recurly, to 52nd percentile in the industry. So we went up quite a bit, right? Bottom third to slightly above average. But that means we still have room to grow.
So we intend to add a couple more rounds of experiments in the same vein. Before, uh-oh. All right. Let me see. Talk through it. OK. Before I talk about the next experiment, most people don't know Boomerang now offers a fully integrated meeting scheduling built into your email.
And Rajesh, talk about how important AMP and interactivity in email is and how it reduces the click-through friction, right? What we are doing is a live image in your email of your calendar right in there. And it will update real time with the availability as it goes by.
And it works across all clients, not just in Gmail, not just in Yahoo Mail, everything that email client that can display image, our technology works. So to talk about this experiment and understand it, you need to know that we actually do meeting scheduling. So one, Boomerang users are sending out meetings. The guests are clicking through. So the in-email image, they are clicking through.
They got here, their confirmation. So this is the virality of our product, right? If you have one Boomerang user sending out 100 meetings, there are 100 people coming across Boomerang experience. And the pitch is very simple. You just had a great meeting scheduling experience. Don't you want that for yourself?
If we improve this from whatever the current conversion is to a little bit better, the virality keeps improving. 100 people come across. Two of them convert. We have two new users for free. Then those two people send out another 100 messages. You get another two users for free. It goes on and on. So we have a very good hypothesis. It's a high leverage page.
And the designers are like, let's put more value prop, right? Explain. So the first, the one on the top is the control and the variant A and variant B. So pop quiz. Anybody wants to take a guess on which variant won? B? Why? Image. Images are convincing. That was a trick question. Both variants lost to control. So what do you do, right?
You have a great hypothesis, great theory on why this should work. You go the opposite direction. We took out all the bright color buttons. Branding is gone. No marketing info. We kept the original one line scheduled meetings with Boomerang. And it went up from 1% to basically 20, blended across maybe like 14%, because we have less Outlook users in general.
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