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Smith AI Breaks $22m ARR Helping Companies Manage Voice, Chat Support, $100m Cap, Burning $300k per Month
28 Aug 2023
Chapter 1: What is Smith.ai and how did it achieve $22 million ARR?
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Guys, Smith.ai did 1.5 million revenue last month, over 20 million run rate. That's more than doubled from a year ago. They've got 600 folks on the team. And what they're doing is they're helping folks work with customers much better in a more efficient way, whether it's voice, inbound chat, inbound messages. They're using AI to power this. But unlike most AI companies, they have real revenue.
Again, voice, web chat, outbound SDR as a service. Launched back in, call it, 2015, 2016, after Aaron sold his first company, Red Beacon, to Home Depot, then stayed at Home Depot through 2020. Hey folks, my guest today is Aaron Lee. He's the co-founder and CEO of Smith.ai and former CTO of Depot. His former company, Red Beacon, won the TechCrunch 50 startup competition in 2009.
He's one of the founding engineers at Google Video and holds a PhD in computer science from Princeton University, now building Smith.ai, which is human-centered AI customer engagement. Aaron, you ready to take us to the top?
Yep, absolutely. Excited to be here. Happy to tell you more about Smith AI and some of the excitement in the AI development on customer engagement. We love that. What years were you with Google Video? It was in 2004, very early on, I joined Google. And back then, Google had web search, image search, but video was a new thing. So I built a team with another engineer.
And before we know it, it's a team of like 100 people. And that was 2004 to what year did you leave? 2008. When I joined, Google had 2,000 employees. When I left, it was 20,000, like 10x.
Wow. Okay. So did you go right into Red Beacon in 2008?
Yeah. So I left in 2008, exactly on the month of the financial crisis and started with the other two ex-Googlers. And we thought, wow, I mean, that's a... good time to build company. And that's how we started Red Beacon.
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Chapter 2: How did Aaron Lee transition from Google to founding Smith.ai?
Now, what size did you grow Red Beacon to before you decided to exit in terms of revenue? We're talking like a million, 10 million, something in between?
Yeah, I think it was somewhere like 10 plus around that time. But I think the biggest opportunity is Home Depot has all the ingredients. They have the distribution channels, 2,000 stores. They have the two-sided marketplace, homeowners and the pros. And they're also very excited to get into building that connection between the homeowners.
So if you go to any of the Home Depot stores today, you will see my work there. I think they rebranded as Pro Referral.
That's very cool. What did you guys, I mean, it sounds like you're building something at Red Beacon. It's doing well. You have more than 10 million in revenue. What did you like about the Home Depot offer? Why did you guys accept?
I think like when we accepted the offer, like we were looking at how do we expand it to even faster to even like adoption, right? We could raise money. But on the other hand, when we raise the money, we only got the money. We don't get the network effect. We don't get the distribution channels. Home Depot actually provide all of the above.
And we got like very significant support from the then CEO of Frank Blake. And he was our biggest sponsor. He saw the opportunity to expand from like products, which is like selling the stuff on the shelf to services.
And are you able to share a range of like what multiple you guys sold for? I actually don't remember. Okay. Was it an amount that you mentioned the valuation on the raise was $30 million-ish valuation? Did you sell for more than your valuation so that everyone made money? Or was it more like an act of hire?
Way more. The investors are very happy. All the employees are very happy. Yeah. Okay. Just raise one round. Okay. Yeah, that was it.
A lot of times when a company like Home Depot buys a startup like yours, there'll be a portion of the deal that is cash upfront, a portion that is stock options, and a portion that's an earn out. How did you think about your deal?
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Chapter 3: What challenges did Aaron face while building Red Beacon?
So in the first few years, we actually didn't take any salaries. Like all the entrepreneurs out there, we put in our own money.
From what years? 2015 to what year did you not take a salary? I, we, it lasts for three years, I think to 2000, probably 18. Interesting. And can I ask how much of your own money you put in the business at risk? Oh, hundreds of thousands of dollars. Yeah. Yeah.
It's not, not small amount. It's significant. Yeah.
Yeah. Um, okay. Okay. So, so let's, before we get the full story of Smith, I want to take a snapshot of where it is today. Can you give us a customer story? Someone paying for Smith today?
Yeah. So if you are running a small medium business and you have no time to hire people, you have no money to afford a full-time front desk receptionist, and you also don't have the technological know-how on blending between AI and agents, that is when we come to help. So they will sign up on a website. We say, okay, Nathan, how many calls or how many chats are you getting per day or per month?
They'll say, oh, maybe you're getting like 20 calls per day. That would be like... 600 calls per month. And then we get you a package and say, every month, you pay a monthly subscription amount. If you go over that, then you pay for the overage. If not, then that is the amount that you need to commit to.
It's very, I would call it vanilla SaaS model, plus kind of the usage consumption if you go over the quota.
I see. So all in, what does the average customer pay you per month to use the technology?
Yeah. So it's around, I would say, close to $1,000 on average. Of course, we have a smaller business that pay a few hundred dollars. We have bigger businesses that pay close to $10,000 per month.
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Chapter 4: What unique services does Smith.ai offer to small businesses?
We are doing, I think like a few months ago, we crossed $20 million ending run rate.
Oh, you're doing way... I'm missing something because you're doing way more.
Yeah, but like a thousand is actually close to it. It's a blending between different services. So like we have, let's say the outbound one, people are paying like thousands of dollars because they're using us as more like a SDR as a service team. For the chat, it's a lower one because like the ASP is actually lower.
Yeah, sorry, just to be clear, like last month in June, you're saying you did more than 1.5 million in revenue. That puts you more than a 20 million run rate. That's right. Oh, wow. Okay. So if you did 1.5 million last month, what were you doing exactly a year ago? Do you remember? I think it was about half of it. Okay. So what drove all the growth?
Expanding into current accounts, feature upsells, et cetera, or brand new accounts altogether?
I think most of them are actually going from one service to another service. like cross-selling. Another one is like, we're actually adding more kind of features. So people actually paying more to upsell. And also we're attracting businesses that are more mature, like meaning they actually have higher call volume, higher chat volume. And on top of that,
The outbound services we started about a year ago is where people say, hey, not only do I want you guys to answer the inbound call, I also want you guys to make the outbound calls. And that is like, I call it the sales and marketing side of things.
So are those full-time employees at Smith? How many full-time SDRs do you have at Smith?
So the team that we have, we have about total, I would say their headquarter plus agents, about more than 600 people.
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Chapter 5: How does Smith.ai utilize AI in customer engagement?
What did you like a 30 million cap, 20 million cap? Do you remember?
Oh, it's much higher than that. I think it's higher than that. It was like close to more like a hundred. Yeah.
Wow. Okay. That's really rare, but you were able to get that because you're a repetitive entrepreneur. You have a track record, but that a hundred million cap on a, on a safe, that was a convertible note, right?
I think with multiple convertible nodes, the one earlier in the years were like, I was talking about the most recent one, but the early ones was much lower. But I think there are two things that people really like. One is like, this is my second time. So people like this thing for like, kind of like repeat founders. Number two, we actually have very significant revenue traction.
If you look at all the AI companies today, they have a nice, I call the UI wrapper on top of AI or chat GPT, but the revenue is very lacking. It's unproven.
Well, you've bet on Aaron, you've bet on yourself though too, right? I mean, if you've raised 7 million on notes and you've raised 13 today, you guys put in 6 million yourself before the notes. Is that accurate?
No, no, no. When I talk about the $7 million, that was in my first company, my first startup. I'm talking about SmithAI. We raised a total of $13 million.
Yeah, $7 million was a seed round in 2019, correct? Right. At a $100 million cap?
Um, no, that was a much smaller cap. I don't remember the exact cap, but that was, that was like way early. I see.
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Chapter 6: What are the financial metrics of Smith.ai today?
That's right. Yep. Okay, got it. So burning something like 300 grand a month, more than 10 million in the bank, you have runway. What's the next move? Product, hiring, acquisition?
Yeah. I think right now we're very much focused on sales and marketing because people love the product. People say, wow, that works, right? I mean, it allows them to expand the business. But then when we look at the product side, we need more AI talents. We need to build up that kind of muscle because it is where you can take your gross margin to the next level.
Sales marketing is another way that we can drive more growth.
Very cool. We're rooting for you. This is a great story. Let's wrap up with a famous five. Number one, favorite book.
I would say I'm just reading about the one. What was the name? Well, Crossing the Chasm is one that is my favorite classic. It just stayed true forever.
That case. That's one of my favorite books. That's a good one. Number two, is there a CEO you're following or studying? I am actually very impressed by Microsoft CEO like... Satya Nadella. Number three, what's your favorite online tool for building Smith?
Favorite online tool. You mean on the development side? Development side. Well, we use GitHub, we use Notion, we use like ChatGPT, we use like Assembly AI. Yeah, so just that's really a lot of tools that we use. Number four, Aaron, how many hours of sleep do you get every night?
Oh, actually, I would say I do six to eight hours. That's great. And situation, married, single kids, I saw a ring on your finger. Yeah, married, three kids, all girls. Yeah. That's awesome. And how old are you? Me, I am 40 plus. 40 plus. What's something you wish you knew back when you were 20? Oh, I wish I had an mentor that tells me about how to build companies.
Guys, Smith.ai did 1.5 million revenue last month, over 20 million run rate. That's more than doubled from a year ago. They've got 600 folks on the team. And what they're doing is they're helping folks work with customers much better in a more efficient way, whether it's voice, inbound chat, inbound messages. They're using AI to power this. But unlike most AI companies, they have real revenue.
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