SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
The Confident Way to Quit Your Corporate Job with Greg Hickman
03 Mar 2016
Chapter 1: What is the main topic of this podcast episode?
This is The Top, where I interview entrepreneurs who are number one or number two in their industry in terms of revenue or customer base. You'll learn how much revenue they're making, what their marketing funnel looks like, and how many customers they have. I'm now at $20,000 per top. Five and six million. He is hell-bent on global domination. We just broke our 100,000-unit soul mark.
And I'm your host, Nathan Latka. In the last episode, you learned from Sue Zimmerman how and what funnel she used to sell her $997 product to a lot of people. Okay, our guest today is Greg Hickman. Now, Greg is the founder of Mobile Marketing Engine, a mobile marketing agency and education company for small to medium-sized businesses.
He's the host of the Mobile Friendly Podcast and speaks frequently, helping bring the mobile message to small business. Greg, are you ready to take us to the top? I am ready, my friend. I love it, dude. Look, we spent some time together in Denver a few weeks ago, after we made it through the flash floods and hailed downtown. I'm really excited for people to listen and hear your story.
But first, are there any really critical elements about your background or history that I missed in the bio that you think our listeners should know?
Um, I mean, depending on, you know, if you're out there listening, you're getting ready to make a transition. I did come from kind of corporate background and I've been working for myself building my business for about a year and a half. So, you know, not too far out of leaving my full-time corporate job, building my own business.
Well, Greg, and a lot of the top tribe are people that are in corporate trying to figure out what is a smooth and easy way to transition out of corporate to do my own thing. So that's why I think they're really going to love your story. So walk us through what you're focused on selling currently and kind of how you're selling it. Well, actually, why don't we just start off?
What are you focused on selling?
Yeah. So great question. So last we spoke and kind of what I'm still pretty much focused on is the services for mobile marketing engine. It's done for you, mobile marketing, loyalty programs, and mobile wallet campaigns. And we focus primarily on independent retailers, specialty retail, think like outdoor camping, sporting goods, bike shops, that sort of arena.
But because of some of the challenges of dealing with those types of customers, I'm testing something on the side, which is actually more aligned with authors, speakers, coaches, online marketers that are developing online courses.
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Chapter 2: Who is Greg Hickman and what is his background?
I was building my business on the side, but all leveraging skills that I had been building over the last 10 years. So it wasn't like I just decided I wanted to do something different and try to build a business around that. It was something that I already had experience in. So I think that's something a lot of people don't do.
Greg, can you share the last brand that you were with so people can really put a face to the story?
Yeah, sure. So previously before starting Mobile Marketing Engine, I was the head of mobile for Cabela's, which is a large retailer with 50 plus locations in the United States and Canada, a hunting, fishing, camping retailer.
And you were like during this process also like engaged, planning a wedding. How did you smoothly transition out of Cabela's into Mobile Marketing Engine?
I wouldn't say it was smooth.
Yeah. Was it not smooth?
Well, so, I mean, so I had started building my business on the side prior to even starting with Cabela's. And I was at a media company doing very similar things in here, downtown Denver. And I... My goal was to get to, I kind of had three requirements for what I needed in order to take the quote unquote leap.
And it was to have paid off my debt, which at the time was about 25K in debt, to be making at least 60% of my full-time salary through the side business because I was getting paid nicely and I knew that I could survive off of at least 60% of that.
What was the full-time salary, Greg, if you don't mind me asking?
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Chapter 3: What challenges did Greg face while transitioning from corporate to entrepreneurship?
So that's where we're at today.
So what were you selling with the services? How much did it cost? And what were the customers buying?
Yep. So when I first started, I had three different packages, $350 a month, $500 a month, and $750 a month. And it's different levels of access and support and... essentially creating their mobile loyalty program and supporting it with the technology that we were using. We didn't have anything proprietary. We were leveraging what was out there.
But a lot of these people didn't have the resources, team, money, or creativity really was the most important one that they were lacking to really how to incorporate this into their business. So we came in, developed a...
a mobile marketing calendar, messaging calendar that aligned with their current promotional calendar and created campaigns and promotions around getting people to come back to the store and spend more than the average cart size. Got it. We were focused on those two goals for the retailers. We got a couple at $350,000. Then I started pitching one more. How many is a couple, Greg?
We had three at 350 before I really started pushing people to the 500. Probably got two or three on the 500. And then we added a new offering, which was kind of like an audit. kind of a discovery process, which we charged $1,500 for, and that took three to four weeks to deliver.
That worked well for getting a few clients in the door because they weren't ready to commit to the monthly right out of the gates. So the audit, with a little bit of a roadmap at the end, I think disarmed a lot of people. So that might be something that might work for you if you are targeting small to medium-sized businesses that have a physical location.
So they were willing to pay almost four times as much for a one-time audit versus that monthly fee.
Yeah. So basically, I talked them through the offering and I explained... And it all started coming together when I was packaging them this way because...
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Chapter 4: What services does Greg offer through Mobile Marketing Engine?
So, Greg, between the audit and the $350, $500, and $750 a month kind of smaller plans, what did you grow this to? What was your best month?
Yeah, so the highest MRR that we had was... And I've been focused on MRR. We did some of these one-off, obviously... um, discovery processes and everything. Um, the, the MRR got to just over six grand.
Yep.
Um, and right kind of the end of, so we hit six grand 30 days later, we lost two of our early, early clients that were like the early clients that were paying, um, two clients at the 500 mark and one at like the 350 mark. So we lost like $1,300 right at like all in one month.
So that's like a really shitty day. How'd you manage your emotions and why'd they leave?
Oh, man. How did I manage? It sucks, dude. It happens to all of us. Oh, yeah. So, well, I think that was actually the day before you were here. So... Well, we drank a lot.
I mean, so hopefully that helps.
We had some wine. Yeah, yeah. Had some wine. I didn't get anything done that day because literally... Okay, so this is why they tell you not to look at your phone when you first wake up because it totally sets the tone for your day. I was in bed and I looked at the email and it was basically the cancellation emails. And I was like...
that hurt yeah a lot and so like my day just started not good um so you know wasn't excited to get out of bed you know went back and forth with them a little bit to understand why um and for each of them it was different reasons um One, uh, the, the, the budget got pulled mainly because the key marketing person left, like my point of contact left.
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