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This Hotel Tech SaaS Just Exited to Constellation Group After Hitting 30% EBITDA Margin and sharing 25% of profits with employees
25 Sep 2023
Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Guys, Vervotech.com helps people understand with a unique identifier what hotels are on what street with what internet at what pricing. They launched in 2018. Today, they do over $240,000 a month in revenue, up from about $150,000 a month just a year ago. And what's great about this company, completely bootstrapped. 30% EBITDA margins is the target, 25% profit sharing plan with employees.
Sanjay really built a great company here and excited to share that. He sold the company just last week to Constellation Group, where he's now excited to thrive under the Juniper subunit there. We'll see what they do next. Hey folks, my guest today is Sanjay Ghari. He's a CEO and MD of Vervotech. He comes from an engineering background.
As an industry veteran and influencer, he leads and drives the company's vision for organizing the world's accommodation data. Before starting the company, he worked as vice president of the SaaS company at Taviska, which is a division of JP Morgan and Chase for over a decade. Company today, again, Vervotech.com, which offers accommodation data mapping products.
Sanjay, you ready to take us to the top? Yeah, thank you for having me, Nathan. You bet. So I want to make sure my audience quickly understands the niche you're in. When we book our conference venues for SaaS Open, we always get these reports from the hotel venues saying, if you do theater-style seating, here's what the room could look like.
If you do circle-style seating, here's what it looked like. Are you the kind of technology that powers that sort of planning and mapping? No, not really.
What we do is any travel agency who is selling hotels online, Nathan, they try to source the inventory from multiple hotel suppliers in order to get the best rates for their customers. What we do is we do standardization so that when travel agencies are showing hotels and rates on their website, they're able to show unique listing at hotels and rooms and rates.
Okay, I'm not sure I'm following. Let's try and use a real example. If there's a big travel agent that's listing four hotels in San Francisco that are available tonight, I guess why not just go use Expedia and find the cheapest price for the hotel in San Francisco?
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Chapter 2: How did Vervotech achieve 60% year-over-year growth?
And next to it, there is a one star property with the same name. So that information will not be accurate because guest will book something, assuming I'm booking five star and they will get a booking in one star. So there will be a lot of complications because there is no standardization.
and i usually stay at the triton hotel in san francisco i can't remember walking down any major city street and going there's a hilton that's a one star and then right next door there's another hilton name the exact same that's a five star i've never seen that is this a common problem this is a very you know very common problem so you know when you look at let's say you know a hillton or trident it may be a five star property or it's a chain property so there may not be exact same name
But there are properties, you know, where this happens very commonly. Because if you look at the global accommodation data, right now, there would be more than 3 million properties across the globe. And the problem may not be there for the top one, which may be, let's say, you know, 20 or 30,000 properties. But beyond that, there is again a challenge.
When someone is telling you this is Hilton and they're giving address and they're giving location, the other supplier may be giving the same name, which you can match, but the address may not exactly match. Location may not exactly match. Star rating may not match. Someone may call Wi-Fi, someone else will say internet. How do you really map all this to show the things in a unified way?
I'm not sure I believe this is a real problem, but your numbers can prove me wrong. So I guess help me understand what do customers pay on average per month to use your technology today?
Yeah. So we were on the SaaS and the average fee ranges between $12,000 annually to actually $100,000 per year. It depends, you know, based on the usage.
Okay. That's a big range though. Would you say the average customer is paying you something like $30,000 a year today?
No. So average right now would be around $16,000 per year, but the customers pay between $12,000 to $100,000.
Okay, so $16,000 per year, so something like $1,200 per month, something like that. Correct. What's the backstory here? What year did you launch the company in?
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Chapter 3: What unique solutions does Vervotech provide for hotel data?
Correct. Little less than that, actually. Okay. What's driven that growth rate? Have you gone deeper into the same customers or have you added brand new, net new customers? We had added brand new customers. Interesting. What's the growth playbook? How are you landing these new customers? Inside sales, outside sales, outbound sales?
So all of it, actually. We do a lot of events. We do Google Ads. We do SEO. We have inside sales team who is reaching out. Pretty much all of it. We are a young company who is not shy from anything. We are trying to do everything which can get us a customer.
We love that. I want to dive deeper into the SEO stuff here in a second. But first, have you capitalized the business? Bootstrapped or have you raised money?
It's a bootstrapped company because the moment we started and within six months, the pandemic or nine months, I would say pandemic hit. So I think that was a good idea. We thought, let's build a product well in pandemic instead of raising money now. I love that. And by the time we're out of it, I think we were good operationally from a finance standpoint.
Well, congrats on bootstrapping, Sanjay. We love that. Are you the sole founder? You own 100% today?
Yeah.
No, no. So first of all, you know, there are other founders with me. There are four, you know, other people on my leadership team. But one more thing is we got acquired last month by Constellation Software, which is, you know, one of the eighth largest valuable software company in the globe through its portfolio company, Juniper Group.
So we love Mark Leonard. We've studied all of his letters. And he obviously doesn't do a lot of interviews. So it's hard to quantify why founders like you love the Constellation model. Tell us.
Yeah, absolutely. And I think I will also answer that question on his behalf that why he doesn't do a lot of interviews. So when first time I saw the Constellation website, there was not even a photo of the founders. Yeah. to them and they said, we don't invest a dollar where there is no ROI.
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Chapter 4: How does Vervotech ensure standardization in hotel listings?
And they deliver this sort of value. I mean, they have a massive 150 point checklist ranging from when to remove the sign from the company headquarters when you acquire it, down to how to run an SEO playbook, down to how to hire. Again, how does Constellation like deliver all of this stuff to you?
Is it you just asking randomly or can you log in and see a bunch of templates somewhere in a website?
yeah yeah so all all of that there is an intranet where all of the assets and all these things are available uh and as i said you know i'm also kind of new i got access to some of the things and i'm still exploring those things so we did the financial integration which is the first thing and i have learned already a lot of things a very simple you know structure of pnl which is followed across the companies how the reporting happens how the dashboard and reports are available
from a financial standpoint is really impressive and i'm looking forward now learn about product sales and marketing sites as well that's awesome that's awesome what about um obviously you're going to want to process you want to pick someone you culturally align with but you also have to think about price right so so how did the valuation conversation happen how did you guys get to a deal price
I think this was a much simpler conversation than one can imagine because from a Constellation standpoint, they acquire a business to retain. So it is very, very fair and methodology driven and we follow the same thing. So I think that was really the simple conversation. Where we took some time is more of a strategic alignment, how we are going to work together, how we are going to grow.
Because what we deliver back to Constellation or Juniper is one thing, but I was more focused about what value Juniper group is going to add back to Avotake. And I think those things were fair. It's all win-win. But from a value standpoint, I don't think it might sound surprising, but I think we closed all of the high-level valuation numbers and everything probably in a couple of days.
Are we talking, though, like, you know, Constellation tends to be fairly conservative. Vista might be more aggressive because they buy and flip. Constellation holds forever, usually forever. I mean, are we talking like a 2x revenue multiplier or like a 15x revenue multiplier? Can you give any kind of range?
It can be any of those because it's not really on the revenue. It depends on revenue. It depends on EBITDA. It depends on your team. It depends on the size. It depends on the growth, attrition. So there are just a number of factors. It can be two or it can be 15. It's really all of it. Where did you guys end up at?
You know, unfortunately, as a part of, you know, that that's the it's a non disclose, you know, I cannot really disclose that one. under the confidentiality of the deal. But I would say me and all of us are very happy about it. So it's a good number.
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