Why worry about my data If I have nothing to hide?
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How are recent state and federal privacy laws changing the conversation about personal data?
Hey, it's Flora and you're listening to Science Friday. In the last couple of months, Vermont, Alabama and Oklahoma have passed their own data privacy laws. Massachusetts is negotiating its own version now. Meanwhile, congressional lawmakers have introduced national privacy bills that would preempt these state laws. In light of all this legislation, we're revisiting an interview we did earlier this year all about your data and how exactly it's used by law enforcement. From facial scanning to private health records to location tracking, how does the U.S. 's data ecosystem make it possible not just for ICE, but other government agencies and businesses to buy our private data? And what actually happens after we send that DM or open up Instagram at a protest to post a picture?
Here to help is Laura Moy, associate professor of law at Georgetown Law. She's testified in Congress about privacy laws and how data brokers profit off of personal data. And she's partnering with organizations that work for stronger privacy laws. Laura, welcome to Science Friday.
What kinds of personal information can be collected from smartphones, cars, and cameras?
Hi. All right. You know, I think we've all heard that we can be tracked, but I want to get into the details. What does that mean exactly? Are we talking about my messages, my DMs, my car? Walk us through it.
We're pretty much talking about all of the above. So we all carry a very powerful tracking and computing device with us everywhere we go now. It's our smartphone. And people take them in the car with them when they go to work. They take them when they go pick up their kids from school. They take them... to church when they go to worship, and some people even take them in the shower. And all of that time, those devices are generating all kinds of information about us, where we go, who we communicate with, what apps we like to use, what websites we like to browse. And any and all of that information might be subject to collection. And in addition to that, you mentioned cars. We also have license plates on our cars.
And as I think most folks are aware, there are cameras everywhere now that track where our cars are going. We might see them as red light cameras or speeding cameras or maybe parking garage cameras. And to private companies and then to those that purchase information from private companies like the government. And then in addition to that, there's information about ourselves that even if we don't have a phone or a car with us when we're going somewhere, we can't help but share. And that's our faces. You mentioned facial recognition technology. that ICE is now using.
How are facial recognition tools and mobile apps being used by government agencies like ICE?
We carry that information with us everywhere we go, and a government agency that wants to deploy a powerful technology to try to identify us out in the field can now do that just using a mobile app on their end. ICE has a really powerful app now called Mobile Fortify that And it is error prone. It has misidentified multiple people. But ICE is using it to try to identify people as they are out in the field.
Can you opt out of any of this? I mean, obviously, you can't opt out of your face or your car getting scanned. But what about your phone? Like, does it come down to turning off location services or is it way beyond that?
I think for the average person, it is way beyond that. Actually, honestly, even for a pretty tech savvy person, it's way beyond that. There are some things that we can turn location services off and then we know that our information isn't being shared directly with that app. However, some of the information that has come out about location tracking companies that sell location information to government agencies is suggests that sometimes location tracking is happening in other ways. For example, through mobile ad spots. When you look at a website or an app on your phone and you see an advertisement in it, You might think that that advertisement is being shared with you based on what's on the website or the app that you're viewing.
In reality, that advertisement might be being placed in a very short moment based on information about you that is sent to an advertising network.
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Chapters
8 chapters
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How are recent state and federal privacy laws changing the conversation about personal data?
0:02–1:16
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What kinds of personal information can be collected from smartphones, cars, and cameras?
1:16–3:00
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How are facial recognition tools and mobile apps being used by government agencies like ICE?
3:00–4:49
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Can individuals realistically opt out of location and tracking data collection?
4:49–7:05
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Where does the data from our devices go and how do data brokers aggregate it?
7:05–10:53
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How easily can companies combine location, health, social, and license data into one profile?
10:53–14:06
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Why hasn’t the U.S. passed comprehensive privacy laws to limit commercial and government use of data?
14:06–15:33
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What practical steps and policy changes does the guest recommend to protect vulnerable communities' data?
15:33–16:00
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