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Science Weekly

The dinosaurs who survived the asteroid

09 Jun 2026

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Chapter 1: What event led to the extinction of most dinosaurs?

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This is The Guardian.

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13.204 - 16.567 Nicola Davis

It was the most cataclysmic event in the Earth's history.

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The asteroid came down and the dinosaurs died, but there was one peculiar type of dinosaur that did make it through.

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28.06 - 32.405 Nicola Davis

Yes, one type of dinosaur is miraculously still around today.

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34.047 - 55.772 Steve Brusatte

My wife and I were at the Lyme Regis fossil festival and we had a little break and we were sitting by the beach and I was eating a pasty and one of these aerial assassins from the sky came down and stole my pasty. It was not pleasant. I was very hungry. My lunch was gone. It was just a sad scene.

58.992 - 60.294 Nicola Davis

That's right, girls.

Chapter 2: How are birds classified as modern-day dinosaurs?

60.795 - 65.644 Nicola Davis

And every other bird, too. Birds are, in fact, dinosaurs.

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66.906 - 82.114 Steve Brusatte

This is not a turn of phrase. This is not scientists tweaking the definition of words that you thought you knew so we sound smarter. This isn't us hinging on some technicality. It's actually really straightforward. Today's birds evolved from dinosaurs.

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83.309 - 91.773 Nicola Davis

It's estimated that there are just over 6,000 species of mammals around today. But birds? 10,000 species.

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Chapter 3: What evidence shows how birds evolved from dinosaurs?

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So in that way, the age of dinosaurs actually continues.

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So how did birds evolve from their reptile ancestors into our feathered friends? And if they survived the asteroid, can they survive us? I'm Nicola Davis, Guardian science correspondent, and this is Science Weekly.

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Birds are dinosaurs. And I want people to understand what that means.

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Professor Steve Brussati is a paleontologist and evolutionary biologist at the University of Edinburgh. And he's the author of a new book, The Story of Birds, an evolutionary history of the dinosaurs that live among us.

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They are a strange type of dinosaur that millions of years ago got small, evolved wings, developed the ability to fly. They are part of the dinosaur family tree.

Chapter 4: How did feathers evolve from scales in birds?

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They are part of the bloodline.

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153.408 - 171.642 Nicola Davis

Scientists estimate that somewhere between 165 million and 150 million years ago, birds first appeared. The oldest known bird that's so far been discovered is the Archaeopteryx. To picture this fossil, imagine the imprint of a bird that's flown very hard into a window.

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172.243 - 185.625 Steve Brusatte

It is a transitional fossil. It has feathers. It has big wings. It has a wishbone. It has hollowed-out bones, just like birds today, but it still has teeth in its jaws. It has long, sharp claws on its hands.

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Chapter 5: What adaptations helped birds survive the asteroid impact?

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It has a long, skinny, bony tail. It's very much a half-reptile, half-bird. But it could fly. It was essential to Darwin's theory of evolution. It was one of the fossils that really proved evolution to the masses back in the 1860s and 1870s. And it remains today still the oldest known bird in the fossil record.

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Since the 1800s, more and more evidence has accumulated.

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We have enough fossils of dinosaurs in different stages of this transition that we can see, generally speaking, how evolution took a dinosaur and turned it into a bird. And the thing that's immediately clear is that this didn't happen quickly. It was gradual.

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Chapter 6: What role did beaks play in the survival of birds?

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It was a long process.

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What's the most iconic feature of birds? Their feathers.

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So where did these come from? Feathers have basically evolved from something like a scale. You can tweak a feather in a bird as it's growing in an embryo and actually turn it into a scale or vice versa. And you see this when you look at a chicken, you know, his body is covered in feathers, but look at those scaly feet. So there is this intimate relationship between feathers and scales.

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Evidence for the relationship between feathers and scales isn't just found in the fossil record.

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We now know from the genetics birds are more closely related to crocodiles than crocodiles are to lizards or snakes or turtles.

Chapter 7: How have human actions impacted bird populations today?

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So birds are nested, they're ensconced within the reptile family tree. They are a heavily modified reptile. This is simply based on what we know today and the DNA of animals today. And it is some of the strongest, most convincing evidence out there for anybody who maybe is doubting, could birds really have evolved from dinosaurs? Are birds really some type of weird reptile?

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How do you get a bird from something like a lizard or a crocodile? Look at the genetics. Birds are smack right in the middle of that reptile family tree.

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paleontologists like Steve have discovered the beginnings of feathers in some very familiar dinosaurs.

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Chapter 8: What is the future outlook for bird species in the current environmental crisis?

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There are fossils of tyrannosaurs, early cousins of T. rex, with feathers. These were big top-of-the-food-chain animals. But these were very simple feathers. They were feathers that looked a lot like hair, just little strands, tufty, fluffy little strands.

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337.149 - 350.224 Nicola Davis

These fluffy strands were probably developing as a kind of insulation as dinosaurs' metabolisms increased. Mammals were doing the same with hair. Eventually, these protofeathers got more complex.

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350.204 - 372.516 Steve Brusatte

They got longer, they started to branch out, they went from hairs to brushes, they started to line up on the arms, they started to form wings. But even the very first wings that we see in dinosaurs, they're too small to have been used for flying. The first wings appear on dinosaurs that are maybe the size of sheep up to about the size of horses, and those wings are no bigger than a laptop screen.

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What were they used for? We don't know, but probably display to attract mates and intimidate rivals. And so what it really looks like is that these different components of the bird blueprint, they evolved one by one over tens of millions of years of dinosaur evolution for other reasons.

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And then it just so happened that you had feathers that had probably originally evolved for insulation to keep these dinosaurs warm. They'd been modified into these display structures, these advertising billboards sticking off of the arms.

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Then some of those dinosaurs got small enough and those advertising billboards big enough that when they moved them around, they could generate a little bit of lift and a little bit of thrust just by the laws of physics. And a threshold had been crossed accidentally with no plan, with no purpose. Evolution doesn't work that way.

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But now these wings could provide some aerodynamic forces and then natural selection could take over and fashion those wings into ever better airfoils. And so there were wings. Lots of different types and shapes of wings started to turn up. You see some raptor dinosaurs with wings on their arms and on their legs, four wings.

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You see other raptor dinosaurs that still had long tails with a wing on their tail. You even see some small dinosaurs, there's one called Yiqi from China. It is a tiny little thing, would have been really cute. You could have held this thing in the palm of your hand. And this thing had a wing, but that wing was made of skin, kind of like a bat's wing.

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So very clearly there was this zone on the family tree of dinosaurs where you had all these different species of small dinosaurs that had feathers and had some kind of wing, a zone of experimentation. But all we have left of that is the one lineage.

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