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Scottish Poetry Library Podcast

Nothing But The Poem - Jack Gilbert

02 Mar 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the significance of Jack Gilbert in contemporary poetry?

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Hello and welcome to Nothing But The Poem.

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Well hello everybody and welcome to our regular Nothing But The Poem podcast. My name's Sam Tung and I'm the Projects Coordinator here at the Scottish Poetry Library. And one of the projects that I coordinate is a Nothing But The Poem regular meeting where we meet online, a group of us who are all friends of the SPL,

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and we discuss poets poems normally about three or four together we read them twice we read them through and we discuss what we think they might mean how the poem is working what impact it's having on us those kinds of things it's a very gentle kind of introduction to a poet or a kind of a reminder of a more of a if you already think you know the poet

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It's really nice to have reread their work and also read it as a group, read it as a community and see what impact it has in that group and in that shared conversation. So the poet that I had selected for this month is Jack Gilbert. There's a couple of reasons for this. One of the joys of working in a poetry library is that you get to physically walk the stacks. I think that is still for me.

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one of the best ways for poetry books to fall into my hands, sometimes literally. I like, obviously, I love going into bookshops and I love going into libraries because there's a certain sense in which you're there, the serendipity is very much at work. Maybe the algorithms are at bay for a short time. I mean, I'm not naive enough to think that they...

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can stay at bay then they have informed my sense of what's hot and what's not but at the same time a library is more of an archive and more of an entering into poetry. So I was walking the stacks and saw that we had some of Jack Gilbert's work on our shelves and

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And the reason that it jumped out for me was that also quite a few poets and poet friends of mine have cited Jack Gilbert as an influence or as somebody who's poetic they really like to engage with and they enjoy. And they hadn't had much critical engagement. He seems to, from my very brief research, he seems to have, over the years that he was writing, he died in 2012,

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was kind of ignored by critics but was well lauded in prizes and in the prize-giving culture and loved by readers and poets.

Chapter 2: How does Jack Gilbert's poetry reflect emotional authenticity?

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I don't really know what it means to say a poet's poet but with the work that we looked at for Jack Gilbert there was a real sense of a spareness, a directness, a lucidity that can seem simplistic or simple and straightforward but there's depth there which you know you're in the hands of a really great poet.

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So I wanted to, yeah, I wanted to read some Jack Gilbert with friends of the SPL, and that's what we did. All of the ones that we're going to talk about today, probably two poems today, are all from Jack Gilbert's collection Refusing Heaven in 2005, which is one of his late books. It seems that he didn't publish very much over his 50-year writing career.

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And if you go on the Poetry Foundation's website, you can see that that was part of his shtick, I suppose, that he's not a kind of professional poet that's producing, producing, producing. He described himself as a farmer of poetry, kind of tending to it, I suppose, and waiting for a harvest. And that fits with some of the imagery and some of the tone that we'll get from these poems.

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So the first poem I wanted to look at and for us to listen to is called Failing and Flying. Failing and Flying. Everyone forgets that Icarus also flew. It's the same when love comes to an end or the marriage fails and people say they knew it was a mistake. Everybody said it would never work, that she was old enough to know better. But anything worth doing is worth doing badly.

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Like being there by that summer ocean on the other side of the island while love was fading out of her. The stars burning so extravagantly those nights that anyone could tell you they would never last. Every morning she was asleep in my bed like a visitation, the gentleness in her like antelope standing in the dawn mist.

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Each afternoon I watched her coming back through the hot stony field after swimming, the sea light behind her and the huge sky on the other side of that.

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Listened to her while we ate lunch. How can they say the marriage failed? like the people who came back from Provence, when it was Provence, and said it was pretty but the food was greasy.

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I believe Icarus was not failing as he fell, but just coming to the end of his triumph. The first thing that we noted with this piece was the killer first line. It was a great first line to really draw you in. Everyone forgets that Icarus also flew. That kind of upending of the mythology and the interpretation that's kind of crystallized around Icarus as the kind of ultimate in hubris.

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He flew too close to the sun. And his pride, yeah, his pride and his hubris brings him down. With this, yeah, this kind of twist, everyone forgets that Icarus also flew before he fell or before he failed, as the title has here, failing and flying.

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