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Garry and Tim - Full Show - Thursday June 11 (11.06.26)

10 Jun 2026

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Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?

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Breakfast with Gary and Tim.

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12.333 - 36.763 Gerard Waitley

Good morning, everyone. Welcome. Thursday, June the 11th. It is great to have you with us. McCafe Menu. Try McCafe's new drinks, Rain. Sam Edmond today with all the news. George Samios, the wonderful world of wine. Corey Mabilio, champion data expert. Jamie Lee Price. Melvin Mavericks are flying, going to play in the finals this year. She's going to join us. And potential Hall of Fame inductee.

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36.863 - 65.938 Gerard Waitley

As I say, good morning to Tim Watson, the Wisp. Go, Whisper. Ah, can't say good morning to Tim Watson. Probably today's not quite the day to have these technical issues, but we shall push forward. It has been a big 24, 48 hours, as we all know, given the state funeral yesterday with Neil Danaher and emotional... An emotional day. Just apologies to everyone.

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66.359 - 91.412 Gerard Waitley

I'm told that Tim will be joining us in a slight second or so. He just can't get to us at the moment, but as I said, we are a day on from a state funeral that was held at the MCG yesterday, and it was held in the most extraordinary circumstances. I thought everyone that spoke spoke so beautifully. We were taken on a journey, a rollercoaster journey of Neil's life, Hamish McLaughlin, the MC,

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held proceedings together and then just a myriad of talkers that came through. And if it, I think Neil's story has been so well told because he's been so brave and public in his fight against MND that I think there's people out there in the public and understanding and think they know him.

106.868 - 129.337 Gerard Waitley

And I think that became even more to the point yesterday when we sat back and listened to the various people get up and talk about their wonderful lives and he's Wife Jan has been so extraordinarily brave over the journey. And then his children spoke so beautifully as well. And I think we might have Tim back. Welcome, Whisper. Hi, good morning, Gary. Good morning, everybody.

129.377 - 151.592 Gerard Waitley

Yes, what a service that was, Gary. What a service that was yesterday. I know. It was... Yeah, it was two hours, Tim. I reckon I could have sat there for another four hours and listened to people talk about Neil Dennehy. And I know him and you know him better than I do, but I know him well as well.

152.073 - 166.252 Gerard Waitley

But there are things that I just sat there and smiled at yesterday and laughed along with and then... I don't know, when the kids get up and talk, that's when it gets me. And you hear a son get up and talk about his dad and the fact that he's not going to be there. The emotion was unbelievable.

166.312 - 183.047 Gerard Waitley

And the reverence within the people, the community that came out and turned out for him was so profound. It was. It was. It was a beautiful service. And they all spoke magnificently. The four children and Jan just spoke magnificently.

Chapter 2: What emotional moments arose from Neil Danaher's state funeral?

183.207 - 207.529 Gerard Waitley

And that is a very difficult thing to do, get up there and speak. They'd written whatever they needed to say. It was so eloquent. It was so touching. You're right. It summarized their relationship with their father, though, too. We'd talk so much about what he'd done to MND and how he'd united people around a cause and that type of thing, but to hear it from their own children.

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207.509 - 228.115 Gerard Waitley

The love and the respect that they had and the lessons that he taught them and the way that he conducted himself as a family man too. It was just a great insight to this other side of Neil Danaher that other people probably, a lot of people hadn't actually been part of or hadn't had an insight into. That is exactly right. So you can join us this morning early if you want.

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We're just rambling along. Been a big 24, 48 hours. So share your thoughts and memories of Neil. 043 98 11 16. You can jump on the line 1300 736 736. If you watched the service or you were at the service yesterday, then we're happy to talk about it.

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243.79 - 252.78 Gerard Waitley

I did want to speak to you about one thing, though, that came and I was actually after the service yesterday, I drove back down to Shore and I was thinking about this all the way down.

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And that was it came across loud and clear how tough he was, how brutally honest he was, not just with the feedback that he might have given players that played for him from time to time or other people that interacted with him outside his family, but also his family too, right?

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And it begged the question, like Susie and I were talking about this in the car after the service, about that love that that group of Melbourne players had for him, which was expressed through Hoppy and through Nita.

280.232 - 298.038 Gerard Waitley

And I'm sure there are other players at Melbourne that maybe at that time thought that he might have been too brutal, he might have been too hard, but they talked about the resilience and resilience. The thing was it flew in the face of how we think about treating or how players are coached today.

298.579 - 324.909 Gerard Waitley

And I kept thinking, so what is it that's different about humans now that maybe isn't or wasn't so apparent about humans of yesteryear? And the connection that he still had about delivering – direct, honest feedback that wasn't necessarily what people wanted to hear. And it must have been the most common way that he delivered a message. But how did he bring them people back to him then?

325.049 - 345.903 Gerard Waitley

Like, how did they end up having that connection and that love and respect for him that was so apparent yesterday when they spoke? How do you reckon that he navigated that? I don't know, because we were asked to write something yesterday for the paper, The Herald Sun, and that was the theme of mine. I said, I don't know whether tough love exists today.

Chapter 3: What insights are shared about Neil Danaher's coaching style?

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No, you did not.

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930.053 - 931.194 Gerard Waitley

One very tiny ration of bacon.

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931.335 - 933.017 Garry Lyon

You liar. You absolute liar.

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933.437 - 950.957 Gerard Waitley

No, thank you for that. And you picked the bill up. There's some etiquette. This is a question out there for the audience. Etiquette. When you're going and someone ends up paying the bill, isn't it good – Isn't it? Shouldn't that person say, I've got this one? Then I could have ordered up a little bit bigger at the start.

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952.118 - 974.177 Gerard Waitley

He was one that often picked the bill up, which I was unbelievably grateful for. Not before time. But I did think, had I known that, I might have gone to something a little bit more exotic than the poached egg. I might have had three or four more sides. I might have had a spinach and a tomato. And a bit of mushy as well. And a mushy. Thank you for that.

974.157 - 994.642 Gerard Waitley

We'll take a break, get into some other stuff on the other side of this. 04339181116. We'll catch up with Sammy Edmond. Haven't seen him this week, so he'll have all the news out of 8 o'clock. Georgie, Corey, causes coming in to set you up for the weekend of footy. And Jamie Lee Price, the Mavericks, beat the Vixens, and they're going to play their first final series for the year.

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Breakfast with Gary and Tim. At our farm in Brampton. I remember on one occasion after COVID, I went through a period where I wasn't exactly keeping my health and fitness in check.

1014.929 - 1029.645 Garry Lyon

I played my first game back in local footy after lockdowns and admittedly I wasn't in the best shape. As always, I went over to dad's place the next day and we started talking about the game. Straight away he asked, how much are you weighing in at these days?

1030.688 - 1048.242 Garry Lyon

I said, yeah, look, tough lockdown, probably a little bit thicker than I used to be, but, you know, I'm an inside midfielder now, a bit of a Paddy Cripps build. I could see him grinning as he typed out his response. When the machine finally spat it out, he said, well, you're not Cripper, and Cripper's not fat.

Chapter 4: How do the hosts reflect on the impact of Neil Danaher on his players?

1432.591 - 1459.238 Gerard Waitley

Cheers. And our producer came in after doing some diligent work on Turkey. He came in and said he's listened to three different news bulletins and they call it Turkey. No, they don't. Well, he did on his news bulletins. And then Mick reckons it's pronounced Turkey. No, no. That'll send Jack over the edge. I'm onto something here with the whole hair transplant. It's turkey, yeah, yeah.

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That's what it is. Turkey, yeah, yeah. I'm going to wait for Sammy Edmund. He'll come in and set us straight. What? Just quickly, love listening to you both, Gary and Tim. I listen every morning. But I agree, you should know something about the World Cup, know something about the teams. I do. It's massive. Hey, we do. We do. It's massive. And we are now on board. We don't get on.

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We just don't want to get on too early. That's the thing. It's footy, footy, footy, footy, footy until it actually happens. We build our knowledge like we have with the NBA. You ask me anything about the Knicks and the Spurs. I've got that covered after watching 10 minutes. Hey, Bulldogs in Adelaide. Bulldogs debutant Luke Kennedy comes in. Lockie McNeil out with a concussion.

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1497.119 - 1515.725 Gerard Waitley

And the Crows have got three changes, all sort of like for like. So Murray replaces Butts. Thilthorpe replaces the Texan. And Luke Pedler comes in for the hamstrung calamachi. Yes, and to Gary out there with one R off the temper text, you decide who you think of. Those two might go to HR.

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Billy Frampton's rough conduct charge has been dismissed at the tribunal with Conlingwood defender free to play in the Magpies' next match. Frampton was facing a three-match ban. The AFL argued it was inherently dangerous, the tackle.

1527.257 - 1550.449 Gerard Waitley

The tribunal, though, sided with Frampton, saying his actions were not careless and that Brodie Majercek's attempt to drive through the tackle had contributed to the dreadful injury. So, look... For my part, I think we ended up at the right place. I agree with you, and that's the way we saw it. But guess what? We also respect anyone that's got a differing opinion, and we won't be abusive of you.

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We understand that you might see it differently, but that's the way that the tribunal's seen it. Melbourne, meanwhile, has confirmed that Majic will not play again this season. There are much more important things in Brodie's life right now and his family, and that is to make sure he gets a full recovery going on here. Better news for the Demons. Yeah, you go ahead. Melbourne, yeah. Go champ.

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You champed me. Kate Chandler has secured his future with the Demons, turning his back on free agency and recommitted to the club for a further five years. Yes, and Collingwood defender Braden Maynard has avoided – this is an interesting decision that's been made by the medical team there at Collingwood, and I am not going to in any way disagree with what they've done, but it is unusual.

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After dislocating his shoulder twice on King's birthday, Maynard will go through a rehab program with a timeline on his return set to be provided after the Pies' bye week. Unusual? Yeah, going to have one more throw at the stumps, one would think, to see if he can come up and play. That'll put his shoulder out again if he does that.

Chapter 5: What are the circumstances of the CEO's departure?

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He was there previously as a CEO, so we do have another CEO there now, Tim Roberts. And he's left of his own volition, didn't he? He didn't get sacked or what was the circumstances? He went to Adelaide. Didn't he get returned to – He went home to Adelaide. He went back to Adelaide. And so I'm assuming if this report is correct, and I really don't know-

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3505.542 - 3514.556 Gerard Waitley

Well, okay, he's got great visibility about what's going on at Essendon. Well, it may be correct. So they're talking about him coming back as a football manager.

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Chapter 6: What role might the former CEO take upon return?

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No. Is that correct? Special projects. Special projects? Well, that's what Jay-Z says. He's in the mix to return to the club to add more experience and list management acumen. He could help head up special projects such as its current draft assistance application, tackle complicated football department matters. I thought that's what the football manager does.

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But a specific role is yet to be clearly defined. What's going on here? Is he the football manager or not the footy manager?

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Who knows? But that story's not even – Well, what do you think? I don't know. I really don't know because I don't know what the role is.

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3546.766 - 3558.285 Gerard Waitley

He's just outlined – in what you've just said then, he hasn't outlined a clear role for him. It could be this or it could be that. He may be coming back to do this. I don't know that anybody in the football – This is the other thing.

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3558.506 - 3577.14 Gerard Waitley

No, no, he's been reported that he's been doing some consulting in some area and looking at different ways that football clubs are being run and what you may require in the future. But he's working for Essendon, yeah? JV's saying he has continued to work for the club as a consultant handling recruiting and commercial department matters from Adelaide.

Chapter 7: How does the discussion shift to football rules and officiating?

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Why don't the recruiters work in the commercial department? Correct. Now, they're good questions that you're asking, and I don't have an answer for you. Would you support the return of Craig? I'd need to think more deeply about it, Gary.

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3591.543 - 3603.582 Gerard Waitley

I would need to give it some more thought, because what you've thrown at me this morning, you've caught me off guard, and I haven't had time to deliver anything, and I have no time to actually research anything either. One more question on it. Right, okay.

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Chapter 8: What are the implications of player movements for the Gold Coast Suns?

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When do you think you'll get some visibility on it? I'm going to get the nocculars out after 9 o'clock this morning. Righto. They're high-powered nocculars too. Swanee was with Gerard yesterday. I can see through people with these nocculars. And he had some very interesting things to say across everything that Swanee put up. Yeah, most of it. Yeah, most of it.

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3626.915 - 3645.372 Gerard Waitley

The new camera's on the way, so let's get the new cameras in as soon as we can, and if that's going to help, get them in. So that's a no-brainer. There's going to be the push in the back, you know, the pylon. Yes. Are you supportive of that one? No, but you know what? It's still open to interpretation. Our game is incredibly difficult to officiate, right? Yeah.

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Just because you're going to clamp down on something and they'll be red hot tonight on that particular rule. I hope both coaches are telling all their players.

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3653.162 - 3667.96 Gerard Waitley

What we're talking about is if a player sort of is on the ground and has the ball and then opposition player just jumps into his back and then another one jumps on top of him to try and lock it in and get a free kick, that will be paid in the back. In the back. In the back.

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3667.98 - 3684.791 Gerard Waitley

Should you be able to, once somebody's on the ground trying to pick the ball up, should you be able to jump on them at all if we want to keep the ball flowing? No, that's what they're saying. You can't just pile onto their backs. No, no, but you can still sort of jump on them. As long as you don't jump on their back, you can still put your arms around them and lock the ball in.

3684.931 - 3699.406 Gerard Waitley

Yeah, no, that's okay. If you want to. As long as you don't jump. So even when we have these discussions, it doesn't actually make it that much clearer. No, it doesn't. But that's- To officials. But then, and also Jared Healy, he'll be ringing in a minute and saying, well, okay, that's fair enough when you're on the ground.

3699.426 - 3713.336 Gerard Waitley

What about when there's a marking contest and the two hands go on the back? Well, that was the one- That's coming down under a closer scrutiny as well. Correct. So that will also be something. But we've been here before. I've been here before many times trying to clear this up.

3713.356 - 3733.999 Gerard Waitley

Remember Jeff Gueschen, when he went on some show, I can't remember which show it was, famously trying to explain what it was. And it just made it even more confusing at the time about whether you could extend your arms out fully or half or partially. Well, at some stage, you were allowed to have any hands in the back at all, whether there was a push, a shove or not. Yeah.

3733.979 - 3751.884 Gerard Waitley

You want to go back to that? Well, you were one of the great swingmen. So you were on the receiving end and you were on the giving end as a defender. Back in the day, what could you actually do? What did you think? I would have thought you would have said you could use your hip in a marking competition. I never used hands in back. And your shoulder in a marking competition. Yeah.

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