BONUS Q&A EPISODE: Your Questions, Answered
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Who are the hosts answering listener questions in this bonus episode?
Hey everyone, it's Sarah and Andrea here, and welcome to this special bonus episode of Sequestered. So here we are. Here we are.
What is the significance of the handcuffs and shackles in the case?
Let's dive on into this. All right. So we've had a lot of listeners sending questions. We have read your reviews. We have a lot to talk about. Yes, that we do. So probably the most asked question has been about the handcuffs and the shackles.
Right. Yeah. I mean, I think we've probably replied to over 30 emails about this.
So the two questions are when and why did he have these shackles? And then the next question is generally, wasn't that tied to premeditation?
Right. Well, first off, I will say this was covered in the trial. What we know for sure is that there's no evidence of when or where he purchased the handcuffs or shackles so they don't have a receipt or a timeline or anything like that only what dr cogswell's description was which is that they were cheap like kind of aluminum cuffs and shackles something he said something that you would find at like a spencer's or some sort of like novelty store so he could have bought these at any point you could probably get them on amazon
Well, I was shocked because I said to you, I remember Spencer's kind of being a little edgy when I was growing up, but I've not been to a Spencer's in years. And I was nervous to do it, but I went on and looked. And you actually can buy handcuffs. But I understand after watching the video of Dr. Cogswell, when he pulls them out of the evidence bags... You could tell they're lighter weight and they actually have a little button that you can undo, but they're serious enough that if someone was handcuffed and didn't know what was happening, they would still be handcuffed and maybe couldn't get out.
Right, and side note, the keys were actually attached to them when she was found, which is crazy. So anyway, I think we have a clip here that we could play where Cogswell explains that more.
Thank you.
We have, again, a clear plastic bag with the medical examiner's office label marked as Shackles Jasmine Paste.
They can't walk.
They're, again, the sort of novelty type of cheap chrome plated steel and you can see that it's basically also a lamp chain as opposed to an LED chain and these would fit together like that so the chain length isn't very long and these
The other thing I was going to say is he talked a lot about how, where specifically where the shackle was connected to just below her elbow, that there was like rust stains. And we saw, we, the jury and just people in the room actually saw photo evidence of this, where the shackle around her forearm had rusted, you know, and she had rust marks on her skin.
What does forensic evidence reveal about Jasmine's final moments?
And so, I mean, that's just another sign of them being just such cheap, you know, material.
And we've tried to clean up this courtroom audio. We've had a lot of comments that it's sometimes hard to hear. And that is us doing our best to make it sound good. But I also wanted to touch while we're on Dr. Cogswell on the fetal position piece, because we also had questions about that earlier. Many people wanted to know, was she already handcuffed and shackled before she was attacked? And we have some audio here. It sounds like the prosecution is trying to suggest that through Dr. Cogswell's testimony.
This is actually showing, as you can see, this is the left side of Jasmine Pace's body. The stab wounds are virtually all on the other side of her body. And when we look at the other side of her body in this position, basically we just rolled her over. All of those stab wounds and size wounds are clustered in the area of her head, neck, shoulder, and upper torso. They're just all on the other side of the body. So this side of the body, as you can see, basically has no injuries. In a fetal position, by tucking our legs up and getting ourselves into a small ball as possible. Some areas of our body are protected, relatively speaking. Others are exposed. And if you have your knees drawn up, obviously she's not quite as tightly compacted as she was inside that suitcase. If you have your knees drawn up, you're basically protecting your abdomen and the lower part of your chest. exposing your shoulders and your back. So the stab wounds clustered on the other side of her body are all in that area that is exposed if she's in that position.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
Who are the hosts answering listener questions in this bonus episode?
0:01–0:09
2
What is the significance of the handcuffs and shackles in the case?
0:09–4:27
3
What does forensic evidence reveal about Jasmine's final moments?
4:27–10:17
4
Was Jason Chen offered a plea deal before trial?
10:17–11:44
5
What insights do we have about Jason Chen's character and past behavior?
11:44–16:35
6
How did the jury perceive the defense's case and witnesses?
16:35–21:37
7
Could Jason's family have influenced the sentencing recommendation?
21:37
8
Where can listeners find deeper dives and extra content about the trial?
13:33–37:26