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The Idiot - Chapter 2

26 Mar 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

0.554 - 19.879 A.G. Sulzberger

This is A.G. Sulzberger. I'm the publisher of The New York Times. And I'm also a former reporter who's watched with a lot of alarm as our profession has shrunk in recent years. Normally, this is where I'd ask you to subscribe to The Times. But today, I'm encouraging you to support any news organization that's dedicated to original reporting.

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19.859 - 32.514 A.G. Sulzberger

Whether that's your local newspaper, a national paper, or the New York Times, what matters most is that you subscribe to a real news organization doing firsthand, fact-based reporting. And if you already do, thank you.

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35.738 - 44.449 Em Gessen

In the early morning hours of July 28, 2022, when the FBI showed up at my father's house in Cape Cod, they knocked on another door, too. Priscilla's.

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44.986 - 51.152 Priscilla

So they knock, and when they told me they were FBI, I thought they were there for me.

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51.992 - 52.653 Em Gessen

This is Priscilla.

53.213 - 67.747 Priscilla

So I started, like, literally physically shaking. I started thinking in my head, it was just like, you're being deported, you're going to be deported, you know. And I think they saw that I was so scared, and they told me, calm down, we're here about Alan Gessen.

68.688 - 70.87 Em Gessen

Alan, my cousin, Priscilla's ex.

71.75 - 108.377 Priscilla

And they said to me, um, Alan has been arrested. I was like, okay, for what? What happened? And they said he's been arrested for murder for hire. And I'm like, what's that? Like, made no sense to me. And then the girl told me, she's like, this is going to be a bit shocking, but he hired somebody to kill you. You know, it's, You know when you run water through a sieve?

108.998 - 127.947 Priscilla

That's how I felt like I was receiving the information. It came in and went out. I didn't understand it. It wasn't like I couldn't put all that information together in one sentence and make it make sense. Alan, murder me?

Chapter 2: What led Priscilla to recount her experiences with Allen?

156.15 - 176.504 Em Gessen

The place was a little dark, a little cramped. Sometimes you can tell when a person is used to living in a different kind of space. The furniture was a bit too large. Priscilla herself looked out of place. She's very tall and, well, she's stunning. Whenever I've heard people try to describe her, the word regal comes up. When she walks down the street, people literally turn around to look.

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177.725 - 197.12 Em Gessen

She demanded more room and more light and an audience larger than me and my recording equipment on the couch. Priscilla was 42 at the time of this conversation. She comes from a prominent family in Zimbabwe. Her father was a neighbor of the country's longtime dictator, Robert Mugabe. Priscilla had worked as a fashion model.

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197.921 - 215.882 Em Gessen

She didn't expect to be a single mother with two kids living in semi-hiding in a house with brown carpeting and a refrigerator with a death rattle. Talking to me now, she was still trying to absorb that this was how her fairytale international romance ended. Me? I was trying to puzzle out how it had begun.

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217.972 - 231.508 Em Gessen

So here I was, at Priscilla's safe house, while the kids were at school, asking her to start at the beginning. From Serial Productions and The New York Times, I am Em Gessen, and this is The Idiot.

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244.448 - 267.029 Unknown

We gave Times employees a preview of Crossplay from New York Times Games. And here's what they had to say. I can finally play with other people. I'm pretty competitive. It's fun to beat friends and coworkers. I have a J for 10 points. I'm guessing tanga is not a word. Let's see. Tanga is a word. Oh. As an English as a second language speaker, I like to learn new words.

267.369 - 272.734 Unknown

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275.853 - 278.444 Em Gessen

I began with the story's first mystery.

279.931 - 285.475 Unknown

So, can you tell me what you saw in Alan when you first met him?

287.446 - 293.855 Priscilla

Wow. I think like most people that meet him, the first time you meet him, he's very charismatic.

Chapter 3: How did Priscilla describe her first impressions of Allen?

1106.731 - 1127.757 Priscilla

Oh, yes. By the way, in his message to me, he wrote to me because there was no hot water at some point there at the house. He was like, oh, we fixed the hot water. So you don't need to worry that it's going to be cold because winter was coming. We fixed the hot water and there is the oven. You will be able to stay warm through the winter.

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1128.395 - 1146.938 Unknown

And by oven, you mean a wood-burning stove that maybe could keep part of that space warm. It's not a winterized house. No. But he is, at the end of June, thinking about you staying there through the winter. Yes. How did that make you feel?

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1146.958 - 1156.41 Priscilla

I thought it was absurd because I actually obviously had no idea the lengths or the extent of his plans.

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1159.023 - 1177.931 Em Gessen

Priscilla scrambled to find a place to live in Moscow. And then, according to lawsuits, police reports, and court testimony, Priscilla became aware of odd things happening with the business that she and Alan shared in Zimbabwe. She learned that she had been removed as director of a company that owned a property there, the property where she and Alan had a house and their businesses.

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1178.692 - 1196.462 Em Gessen

And now her businesses were being forced out. A neighbor told her the property was recently put up for sale. Soon, Priscilla says, she was struggling to get access to money. Later, in federal court, Alan confirmed he and his business colleagues had Priscilla removed from their company and that he had canceled her debit card.

1197.984 - 1225.915 Priscilla

It is almost a way of... You know when somebody strips you of your humanity, shows you that you're not in control of anything? You've taken my child. You've taken the clothes off my back. You've taken my home. You're... breaking me down completely all in one go. It's insane.

1227.176 - 1242.473 Em Gessen

I had thought that this was all about O, about who had control of the schools he went to and the books he read. But now that I was talking to Priscilla, it sounded like Alan was really going after her, punishing her. Priscilla says she knew why. Because she had chosen to end the marriage.

1243.415 - 1254.045 Em Gessen

In one of their fights, Alan had told her that it wasn't fair, that if they broke up, her life would get better and his would get worse. Priscilla didn't disagree exactly. Her calculations showed the same thing.

1255.166 - 1280.941 Priscilla

I had a home. I had kids. I had a business. Everything was going well. The only negative was him. So when I got rid of him, I essentially got rid of the only negative that I had in my life, which would mean that my life would now improve. I was happy. I was stress-free. But for him... because he was not ready to give up this relationship or to let go of everything, he felt discarded.

Chapter 4: What challenges did Priscilla face during her relationship with Allen?

2412.825 - 2419.064 Em Gessen

Please feel free to call or write with any inquiries. Kind regards, Alan. Wow.

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Would you like to interpret this?

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2425.495 - 2449.869 Priscilla

Remember those stories that I told you he's so excellent at weaving? This is another, this is a classical example of that story. If you're an outsider reading this, it sounds plausible, right? It sounds actually very logical. If you have no idea of the facts, you'd say, okay, wow, this woman must be awful. This man is trying to save his child.

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2450.249 - 2454.314 Priscilla

And it all seems to make so much sense without the facts.

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2455.956 - 2478.184 Em Gessen

What struck me about this letter is that Alan, who has a law degree, is acknowledging the existence of a court order, but seems to assume he can convince a police detective it's okay to violate it. It seemed so stupid, so ham-fisted, so delusional, that the only logical explanation I could think of for this illogical approach is that Alan actually believed that he didn't kidnap Owen.

2479.245 - 2502.526 Em Gessen

Maybe he, for one, believed himself. To Priscilla, the most frightening thing about the letter was that Alan clearly had no intention of coming back anytime soon. After the frenzy of trying to get the court order and reach Alan, and after this email, she could only wait. Christmas came and went, then New Year's, and still they were gone.

2508.598 - 2533.187 Em Gessen

It turns out that Lena and Alan, and Elle, spent a couple of weeks vacationing in Canada, staying at a fancy hotel, skiing. Then they headed to the Montreal airport. They had tickets to London. From the time the three of them entered the Trudeau International Airport, law enforcement were tracking them. When Al and Lena and O tried to board, the agent told them to wait by the gate.

2534.549 - 2557.959 Em Gessen

They sat down, and pretty soon a group of officers appeared. From what I can gather, there were eight or more of them, seemingly out of nowhere. One officer came up from behind and lifted O up in the air, straight out of his seat and over the back. Another got in front of Lena, blocking her access to Alan and O. And the rest of them slammed Alan on the ground and handcuffed him.

2558.7 - 2587.403 Em Gessen

There was a lot of yelling. On the ground, on the ground, was what O remembered hearing. Then the officers led O away. His dad was lying on the ground face down. His grandma was screaming too and trying to hand him things. The officers let him take the violin. Now, whenever the subject of Canada comes up, O says that he had a wonderful vacation there and loved the snow.

Chapter 5: How did Priscilla's life change after moving to Moscow?

2767.295 - 2787.808 Em Gessen

For the first time in two and a half years, no one is coming between Priscilla and her son. In fact, after Alan has so grossly violated their temporary custody agreement, Priscilla now has full legal and physical custody of O. And I'm trying to imagine, what would I do in this situation? What would you do? Would you eviscerate the bastard?

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2788.289 - 2810.252 Em Gessen

Or would you say that he was taking a time out because he'd broken the rules, like in school? I suppose Priscilla expected Alan to be in the kids' lives after this, despite all he'd done. But then, six months later, when Alan was arrested for hiring someone to murder her, she continued taking uncanny care with the way she talked to the kids about him.

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2811.254 - 2831.27 Em Gessen

She said that he was arrested because he broke the rules again. And almost a year later, when we were talking in her little house, she still hadn't told the kids that Alan had tried to have her killed. Part of it was that she hadn't figured out a way to talk about it that wouldn't scare the kids. But that wasn't all of it. Priscilla told me that she wasn't only protecting the kids.

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2832.772 - 2851.181 Priscilla

The one thing that you also need to know is I don't hate Alan. So I'm not motivated to say, oh, he's like this, he's like that. I don't hate him. I feel sorry for him for some reason. It's an odd feeling.

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2851.221 - 2887.188 Priscilla

Like I feel sorry for him because I feel like it takes a certain level of sadness or deep, like very, very, very deep unhappiness with yourself or with who you are to allow yourself to do certain things. To care so little about the outcome of, or like, for you to be evil, you cannot think very highly of yourself.

2889.331 - 2899.986 Priscilla

And I think you probably suffer more as an evil person knowing who you are and the things that you are capable of and having to live with that in your mind every day.

2904.387 - 2910.833 Unknown

That is some unattainable level of big for me.

2913.356 - 2919.462 Priscilla

It's so hard to explain. It is so hard to explain, but this is how I genuinely feel.

2919.502 - 2940.982 Em Gessen

I've tried to understand how she can feel that way towards someone who tried to have her killed. I thought maybe she still loved him. She did tell me that she still felt something for him. And that part of her was hoping that what he had done wasn't true. That some explanation would emerge that would make her feel a little saner and safer.

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