What to do with Taylor Frankie Paul...?
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What is the main focus of the episode and why are Taylor Frankie Paul and Secret Lives of Mormon Wives being discussed?
Did we see the news that... Taylor Lautners have given birth.
Oh, they joked the Taylors.
Yeah,
the Taylors. Because both husband and wife are called Taylor Lautner. Yep. There was a joke that they would call their baby Taylor.
I know. And I've been actually, I've been very nervous about it personally. Is there going to be a third Taylor Lautner entering the chat? Surely they could chuck it in as a middle name.
Correct, Michelle. That's what they did.
They chucked it in as a middle name.
Shut up. Baby's
name, Lennon Taylor Lautner. I like Lennon.
Lennon's
great. I think they had to
throw it in as a middle name. They have such a good sense of humour. Nothing but the best for the Taylor's Lautner. I would have loved a third, but I appreciate it wasn't practical. No, and I think, like, there's a line where it just gets cruel. Yeah, I agree. So
middle name it is. Oh.
Hello and welcome to Shameless, the pop culture podcast for smart people who love dumb stuff. You're joined, as always, by Melbourne writers, Michelle Andrews, that would be me, and Zara McDonald, that would be you. Hello, Michelle, and hello, producer Eilish Gilligan. Hey. Hi, Gill. Coming up on today's show, it's a Monday episode, so we're switching our brains very much on. Speak for yourself. I know. I think I always needed
like
a self-fulfilling mantra.
We are
smart. All right. So is reality TV regressing is the headline of today's episode. In light of all the headlines surrounding Taylor Frankie Paul and the future of the secret lives of Mormon wives. We're asking the question, is reality TV slipping back into the dark days of the noughties? Is it? Perhaps. Perhaps. But first, before we get into that very meaty convo, Zaz, this episode is brought to you by Archie's Footwear, the makers of Australia's comfiest thongs. I'm officially in summer attire, so it feels fitting that Archie's is here
as our sponsor. Thank you to Melbourne for turning it on. I know a lot of you listen not from Melbourne, but you need to know it's a cold city and today's not cold. Today's not
cold. And I think every time Zara and I have walked upstairs past the team, they've gone... Summary! Yeah, I know. Because we've lent fully in with our outfits.
Everyone else has gone a bit half-hearted, as you should in Melbourne. You can never trust the forecast. No, we saw it and we thought we're all in. Okay, so today's episode, this started because we've been talking a lot amongst ourselves about... The murmurings around what's happening with Taylor Frankie Paul and the secret lives of Mormon wives. And I feel like it's been a story that's been building over the last couple of months.
And it's got to the
point this week where it's like, I think this is worth having a conversation about.
Like the dam wall has broken?
Yes, correct.
So Taylor, look, what I'll say before I read this quote unquote statement out is that Taylor can say things and then... walk them back. And it's very hard to tell sometimes if she's being serious or earnest or what's going on. There was a long period of her saying that her entire Instagram was all satire. So I'm going to read this to you and we can all just figure out what to make of it. My gratitude goes to the networks that have supported me through this time on Secret Lives of Mormon Wives and gave me the chance to return. However, I don't desire to move forward like this. I originally was willing to be removed from the cast to let all of them continue on with less stress and I'm back to that point.
Some of the girls know what I've been through and then to turn and collectively pile on with their statements knowing there has been ongoing abuse through the legal system the last eight months on top of what I've endured, almost the entire cast plus some going at me, laughing about my kids is disgusting.
Okay, so the kind of too long didn't read of it all is that Taylor Frankie Paul announcing she's leaving Secret Lives of Mormon Wives after five seasons. Probably will leave.
Intends to leave.
Yeah. Well, has posted a caption saying that she will leave. Ostensibly because she feels that she has been bullied by her fellow castmates.
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Chapters
4 chapters
1
What is the main focus of the episode and why are Taylor Frankie Paul and Secret Lives of Mormon Wives being discussed?
0:00–9:00
2
How did the hosts explain Taylor Frankie Paul’s departure and the controversy surrounding Secret Lives of Mormon Wives?
9:00–19:15
3
Are reality‑TV formats in 2026 reverting to the darker, more sensational style of the early 2000s?
19:15–24:24
4
Why do the hosts consider Disney/Bravo’s strategy of cross‑promoting talent like Taylor Frankie Paul a sign of industry regression?
24:24–43:08