The Shawn Ryan Show
#243 Steve Robinson - What If China’s Secret Weapon Was Sold at Your Local Gas Station?
09 Oct 2025
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Steve Robinson, welcome to the show, man. Thanks for having me. So I have had a ton of people reaching out to me wanting to cover this 7-0-H thing that's going on. And so we had a bunch of... what a bunch of people were looking at and Jeremy found you. And I think we were going to get you on earlier about something too, but I don't know much about the subject.
It sounds like a very, very toxic chemical that they're putting into stuff. And, and so I can't wait to dive in. Sounds like you're way ahead of the government on this right now.
Well, I think the government's always way behind on the new substances that the fringe of society are using to get high. I know that the FDA has recommended that 7-OH be scheduled. Who knows how long that process is going to take? But the idea of sketchy substances that you can buy at gas stations and convenience stores has been around for a long time.
And the timeline that I've observed is, you know, it's maybe a product shows up in a gas station or a convenience store and word spreads very quickly amongst the drug using community. They figure it out real quickly what makes you feel good and what simulates the feeling of whether it's cannabis or heroin. And they know where to get it. They know the
stickers and the logos and the brand names that kind of subtly communicate what they're looking for and then these things start to turn up at law enforcement raids so local police sheriff state police dea whatever they'll go in for a regular fentanyl raid heroin or you know oxycon whatever it is
And they'll start to notice these other things are turning up and they don't really know what they are They've got weird labels weird names and they kind of brush them aside but then they start to see more of them and then they realize that there's a pattern here and The same people who are using maybe fentanyl or heroin or prescription opioids are also using some of these other products and so from that point
That's maybe a five-year window, and then when it trickles up to the level of state policymakers or federal policymakers or people who are at the DEA, it takes maybe another two years or three years for there to be any kind of policy formulated that's going to limit the import of these drugs.
And in a lot of cases, like with the case of 7-OH, it's incredibly difficult to regulate it because it's hard to test for. You don't really have a test right now. If someone dies in a parking lot and they have an autopsy, they're not immediately going to test for 7-OH.
I don't even know if they have the capability to look for the metabolites in their bloodstream to say like, oh, this person might have died from 7-OH. In most cases, their deaths will probably just be attributed to a regular opioid overdose. 7-OH is, I think, most comparable to bath salts. Oh man, that shit was nasty. I haven't heard about that in a couple of years.
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