The Shawn Ryan Show
#256 Tucker Carlson - Epstein’s Emails, Political Blackmail and What We Already Knew All Along
24 Nov 2025
Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
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Tucker Carlson.
What's up, Ryan, ladies and gentlemen? Welcome back to the show. Thank you for having me. This place is so unbelievable. It is. You told me about it, but it's way cooler even than you described, so I love this. Thank you. I like a man who builds his own world because it reflects your value. It reflects what you care about.
Thank you. We put a lot of hard soul into this.
It's very obvious. Thank you. And I think it's great. I like building things. I like people who build things. And I think it's very important to live and work in an environment that is beautiful, or at least something that you consider beautiful. I think it's really important. Beauty is totally underrated as an elevator of spirit, as a path to clarity.
the whole modern world is so ugly and it's ugly on purpose. You can't think clearly about anything. And you come to a place like this and you're like, oh, this is a man who really thinks about things. So.
Thank you, man. I just, you know, I like, uh, I think work satisfaction is extremely fucking important and not, you know, not just for myself, but, uh, you know, I think I told you, you know, my team is like my family on your podcast. So we talked about that again. I feel the same way.
know this morning at breakfast and i just i just want everybody to love where the they work you know and and um and be proud of where they work like what are you doing with your life no i completely i completely agree with you it's expensive to do that so that's why most people don't yeah yeah but well i don't know if i gotta spend it on no i completely agree
Fucking gay new watch or something.
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Chapter 2: What does Tucker Carlson say about beauty and work satisfaction?
And I'll speak for myself. I always think that if I say something that's true, it will have an immediate effect. And there is a kind of vanity to that. Like, can't anyone hear what I'm saying? Like, I already showed that's a lie. Like, why aren't you adjusting your behavior? And it's like, well, because I'm not God, actually. I'm not in charge of anything.
I'm a podcaster, which is important to remember if you're me, because there is so much vanity. People are always like, oh, it's so important what you're doing. And it's like, really? If I was doing something useful, I guess we wouldn't be here, would we? And that is so frustrating that I opted, as we had this long conversation, wonderful, which I wish...
was on tape because it was so deep, but I know... Don't worry, everything on Breakfast is recorded. You should have said that! But, no, I mean, I know the feeling so well, and you were saying, I can't even deal with this, I don't want to deal with it.
And I said, oh, man, in June, after we, the United States government, bombed the nuclear facilities to really no effect, let's be honest, I was so frustrated and disappointed and... man, the people aren't listening to me. I kind of retreated and I live in a place where you can retreat to our fishing camp, which I sincerely love, but really its signature quality is its remoteness.
It's not near anything at all. And we did have Starlink put in a couple of years ago. So you could text from there. So, like, why wouldn't you go there on all your off hours with your dogs and just, like, live alone in the woods? So I literally did that. And then in September, you know, Charlie Kirk was my friend, was murdered.
And with the encouragement of another friend of mine, I began to realize that what I was doing was totally self-indulgent. And that's not, we're not here to... enjoy solitude in the woods or enjoy our fishing camp, the fruits of our laborers, which is a very cheap fishing camp. But still, it's like so close to my heart and what I really love about this country and my life is being in the woods.
But that's not why we're here. That's totally self-indulgent. Just because my deepest desire is not hookers and blow. Anymore? Anymore. No, but I can tell myself, and I have literally said out loud to people around me, like, Really, my darkest sin is I like to sit, you know, far away in the woods up near Canada with my dogs and fish and maybe have an occasional cigarette or whatever.
But that's as naughty as I get. I've got nothing to apologize for.
Why do you think, why do you say that's a big sin? That's your biggest sin? Why is that a sin?
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Chapter 3: How does Carlson view the current spiritual war?
But, you know, I'm not gonna quit, but, you know, I go back and forth. I mean, there's so much... Yes, there's a lot of positives when you talk to a lot of cool people and I get, you know, got to know you and... And I'm very thankful for everything. But, you know, I think about, I got a fucking large property about 45 minutes south of here.
And lots of acreage, middle of nowhere, very, very inexpensive property that I've owned since I moved here.
Those are the best. Inexpensive rural property.
It's a little bitty fucking hunt cabin that's like, it's... You wouldn't want to bring a woman there, unless my wife does. Those are the best kind. But we used to go, before all this shit happened, we used to go down there and just escape. We wanted to escape all the way back then. And we don't have time to do that anymore.
And, like, I went down there last weekend to actually, like, just get out of here. Even though I live in the woods, that's farther in the woods. I just fucking got down there, man. And I was, like, it made me sad. Like, I was, like, Katie and I used to come down here all the time.
Yep.
not talk to anybody, no cell reception, no internet, no nothing, like no jets flying over, no chemtrails, no noise, nothing, just solitude, nature, and a couple of people cooking meth across the street. But it just made me sad, man. And like, I'm like, I think about it now and I'm like, those were like better times. Oh yeah.
You know, and now, you know, I've built this business and fame has set in and it's, you know, when you're building this shit, you sure as hell don't think you're going to look back on the times that you were before you even thought about building it and go, those were simpler, better times. It makes me fucking sad.
You can always be sure you look backward and consider time that has passed simpler and better. That's just the nature of life. You will always look back. I look back on the 80s and I'm like, damn, I correspond with my girlfriend by letter. You know? How great that was. I just think that's the way people are. But I also, I think of it this way.
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Chapter 4: What does Tucker Carlson believe is the nature of leadership?
Like, is it really that bad?
C.S. Lewis has this... Well, I have tons of opinions on the subject. I don't have... you know, concrete proof. Of course, I think I know, but C.S. Lewis has this, I think it was C.S. Lewis, has this essay in which he says, people debate, you know, was Jesus really God or whatever.
If Jesus came back to Earth tomorrow and held a press conference, like a week later, people would be talking about something else. It's like, we actually know what's true, We know what's true, and the way that dogs know what's true. You can't reason with a dog. The dog can smell it, and he sticks with his opinion because he has no other input. If you hate a dog, you can't talk your way out of it.
The dog knows you hate the dog, because dogs have unerring instincts, and so do we. And so, of course, we know exactly what the Epstein story is about. It's about the deep corruption of global leadership, of course. And you can say, it's about Israel, it's about the CIA. Well, it's about, is there a distinction, really?
not just between Israel and, you know, Mossad and CIA, but about the British government or really kind of any government or any, you know, Bill Gates or Leon Black. It's all kind of varieties of the same thing. It's corrupt leadership that is acting on its own behalf against the interests of the people they lead. It's the oldest story there is. It's the Pharisees.
And if we're honest, we already know that. So, I mean, I, of course, I'm completely for disclosure of everything. But I don't lie to myself and say that disclosure would change human nature, because it won't. And people have an opportunity to exploit others generally well.
And the rest of us need to fight daily against that, not because we're going to win in the short term, but because it is our duty. and to serve what's good and true. Period. Even if we're killed doing it. So, I don't know. I mean, I won't stop pushing for disclosure. I really believe that. Trust is built on honesty. It's not built on lies. Ever.
You know, you say, you know... Does it change? I can't remember your exact verbiage, but we were talking about when this gets exposed, does it change anything? No, this is the nature of man. This is what happens. Where do you know the answer? Men need to be reset. And men have not been fucking reset, not in this country, for a long, long time.
That's coming, whether we want it or not. We don't want it, but it's coming. All this shit about women don't need men. You've obviously seen chaos in a society, right? The actual chaos, people just shoot into buildings and no one arrests them. You spent your life around that stuff. Those societies don't ask questions like, what are men for? Right. And we're, of course, moving closer to that.
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Chapter 5: What demographic changes are occurring in America?
No one knows America. It's like the CIA. No one person in the CIA knows what everybody is doing in the CIA because it's compartmentalized. America, same thing. So I would pull these numbers and like, I never was interested really in demographics. I'm still not that interested, but I would look at these numbers and it's like, holy shit, this country's changing fast.
On the most basic level, who lives here? Like, this town was 90% white, now it's 60% Hispanic, and that took 20 years. Has there ever been anything that moved that fast? Like, human populations change very slowly. You do blood tests on the people who live 20 miles from Stonehenge and then you do excavations at Stonehenge and you find that they're related.
So what do you think?
But I would see this and I'd be like, wow, this country's really changing. And then I would see, but I still wasn't hyped up about it or anything, but I was like, wow, that's kind of crazy. This is happening so fast.
Chapter 6: How does Tucker Carlson describe the Great Replacement Theory?
And then I would see people like Chuck Schumer stand up and be like, the one thing you're not allowed to say is that the Great Replacement Theory is real. You're an anti-Semite. And my first thought was, what are the anti-Semites? What does that have to do with it? I guess I'm too literal or slow or something. And I'm like, it's nothing to do with Jews.
It's not anti-Semitic, but like, how is that a conspiracy theory? That's, here are the numbers, dude. And there's you on the floor of the Senate saying, I can't wait till this country's minority white. Okay, so you're telling me you can't wait for something to happen. And when I say, what are you talking about? You scream at me and call me a bigot and tell me that I'm a conspiracy theorist.
for noticing what you just bragged about. You don't have to be a genius, and I'm definitely not a genius, to say, what the hell was that? And that's when I, and then of course I travel so many, in Australia and like, oh my gosh, New Zealand or Canada.
What is, and again, to answer your question in one sense, I don't know exactly, but this is the biggest thing, just biggest fact, biggest change to happen to global population ever. in recorded history that we know of. And nobody mentions it because they're too intimidated that they'll be like called David Duke or something.
So, I mean, what you're saying basically is the white race is destroying itself from the inside, just like the country is destroying itself from the inside.
I mean, look, again, I hope I'm being honest about... my lack of understanding. I don't understand the full outlines of this, but you... What does it look like if the white race is destroyed?
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Chapter 7: What is the impact of debt on young Americans?
I don't know, but why would you ever want to destroy any race on purpose? Um, I mean, we had, you know, Europeans in the United States had a lot to do with the destruction of the American Indian. It wasn't all intentional. Disease played the primary role, but there was also, like, a sense that we can't have the whole continent if people are still occupying it. We gotta move them and...
keep them from roaming around and pen them up in Oklahoma or whatever, and that was intentional. And what was not all intentional, again, disease played the primary role, but... There was intent there. And why did my ancestors do that, Europeans do that? Because they wanted the continent and there were people there. And that story is pretty familiar.
Like, that's the story of the Mongols sweeping across the steppe. That's the story of the Normans showing up in England. That's the story of every invasion and rape.
Chapter 8: How does Tucker Carlson view the role of lenders in the economy?
And, you know, that's the story. Replace your genetics with mine. Rape your wife. My Viking ancestors participated in that. Sorry. Okay, so we know that. That's just like a feature of history because it's a feature of human nature. Is that what this is? I don't know. But it's never been more effective than what's happening now.
And it's, as far as I know, never happened with the active, enthusiastic complicity of the people being replaced. I've never seen anything like that. It's incredible. I guess I shouldn't be surprised because people do commit suicide and they are convinced that they have to kill themselves. But the pure hate it shows is what still stuns me. How could leaders hate their own people so much?
And as a father, I don't understand that. And I'm really bothered by that. If you have people in your care your only real job is to love them. And we can argue about what love looks like and how it manifests itself, but you can't hate them. You cannot hate them. And our leaders have hated us with homicidal hatred. Homicidal hatred.
It's not just, I want to get rich and, like, you know, steal all your shit. It's like, no, I want you to die. And they couldn't have been clearer about it. I don't know how I didn't see it, but the results make it... Irrefutable. Irrefutable. The country I grew up in, I was born in May of 1969.
Tell me the differences between America in May of 69, months before we landed on the moon, or whatever, and now, and the main difference is a completely different group of people live here. What happened to the old people? How did that happen? It was intentional. Of course it was. They said it out loud. The president of the United States. And I can't wait to listen.
It's just like, again, going back to the first part of this conversation, how is it that you see things right in front of you and yet don't see them? I don't know. It's a spell. But I want to break free from it. Do you ever feel that in your life? Like something's just right there and you couldn't see it?
Oh, yeah. All the time. All the time. And then I get pissed at myself.
Of course, me too. Or just bewildered. Like, gosh, I flatter myself. I'm such a keen observer. Really?
I mean, you say that the politicians hate us. I believe you. I think the same thing. I don't think any of them. Can't say any of them. We talked about Eli Crane earlier. For sure.
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