Why American culture feels so chaotic – and how investors can benefit
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Short Briefings on Long Term Thinking - Baillie Gifford
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What is the high‑entropy state of American culture and why does it matter?
November
2015. A&P's last grocery store goes dark. A sign in the window thanks customers for 156 years. Rewind to 1930. That year, the Atlantic and Pacific Tea Company operated nearly 16,000 shops in North America. That made it the world's biggest retailer, and it sold everything from fresh-cut pot roast to peanut butter. So what happened? The world got complicated. TV ads stoked demand for new brands, and Americans stopped buying A&P's private label products. They wanted choice. Maxwell House or Nescafe? Then 50 types of mustard, then organic, then ethnic. An endless appetite for novelty. While younger rivals focused on selection, A&P made its factories more efficient, optimising for the world that was, rather than the new complexity.
It's a story that's been repeated across industries and time. Order gives way to entropy, and in the chaos, new winners rise. Welcome to Short Briefings on Long-Term Thinking. I'm Leo Kellyan, and I'm joined by Dave Buznowski, Bailey Gifford partner and an investment manager in our US equity growth team. In this episode, we're going to discuss his paper, When Systems Fragment, Entropy, Cultural Change, and the Next Great US Companies. But before we begin, a quick reminder. As with all investments, your capital's at risk and your income is not guaranteed. Dave, welcome to the show. Thanks, Leo. It's a pleasure. So, Dave, before we explore how entropy relates to growth, I'd like to reintroduce you to our audience because it's the first time that you've been on the show in just over...
three years. And within Bailey Gifford, you're known as one of our leading systems level thinkers. So can you start by just explaining what that
term means? The best way is to contrast it against linear thinking. I think linear thinking is very sequential. If A happens, then B follows. System level thinking appreciates that the world is made up of interconnected systems. And what is happening at the system level is more important than studying any individual component within it. So as an investor, I can study a business till I'm blue in the face, but its fate might ultimately be determined by the dynamics taking place in the system around it. So A happens, B follows, but then B feeds back into A, C is building in the background, and the big shift happens coming from a place where nobody had expected. It consists of feedback loops and stocks and flows and all sorts of underappreciated and surprising dynamics.
And then before joining Bailey Gifford, you co-founded a company of your own, Coburn Ventures, which specializes in understanding how change happens. So how did the work that you did there inform your approach to stock picking today?
Sure. I think it starts with the premise that change drives growth. A lot of people assume that for growth to happen in an enterprise, There must be expansionary forces taking shape around it. But in fact, all you need for a business to grow is a change to take place. Now, as far as Coburn Ventures go, full credit to my mentor and founder of Coburn Ventures, Pip Coburn, his investment philosophy was founded on identifying monumental change. And the idea was that humans are wired, and investors as a subset of humans, are wired to think rather incrementally. Change doesn't announce itself. It creeps up on you. And When a big change happens, it's hard to identify.
How does systems‑level thinking differ from linear thinking for investors?
So our premise was, if we can understand when there's a monumental change happening, we can place our investments accordingly and find the companies that are on the right side of that change. That was the core of our entire investment philosophy. Now, importantly, there's different types of change, and this is what made it a fascinating, wonderful study. Some change I'd describe as happens on the micro level. A company introduces a new product. Or Walmart changes its shelf space and gives an advantage to one company over the other. Or a company restructures and it alters the shape of their cash flows going forward. Those are investable changes, absolutely. But the implications of those changes are rather narrow in scope.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the high‑entropy state of American culture and why does it matter?
0:01–4:09
2
How does systems‑level thinking differ from linear thinking for investors?
4:09–9:04
3
Why is entropy a useful metaphor for today’s fragmented consumer habits?
9:04–14:10
4
How did the Cloudflare CEO’s story illustrate a shift from concentrated to fragmented systems?
14:10–18:12
5
What does the decline of the wellness trend reveal about cultural fragmentation?
18:12–23:18
6
Why is agility the key advantage for companies like Shopify in a chaotic market?
23:18–27:20
7
How do niche‑focused firms such as SharkNinja thrive in a high‑entropy environment?
27:20–31:49
8
Which “entropy antidote” companies (e.g., Samsara) help businesses adapt to systemic chaos?
31:49–36:32