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Peeing Is Contagious!

Fri, 24 Jan 2025

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At least, it's contagious among a group of captive chimpanzees at the Kumamoto Sanctuary. How do researchers know? A very dedicated grad student at Kyoto University. In the quest for scientific knowledge, Ena Onishi logged over 600 hours in the field! This episode, host Regina G. Barber and special guests Jonathan Lambert and Ari Shapiro get into the nitty gritty of the research and their hypotheses for why this is happening in this episode.Read Jonathan's full reporting about contagious peeing in chimps.Delighted by other scientific discoveries you think we should share with the whole class (the rest of our audience)? Let us know by emailing [email protected]!Listen to every episode of Short Wave sponsor-free and support our work at NPR by signing up for Short Wave+ at plus.npr.org/shortwave.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic of this episode?

27.932 - 30.533 Jonathan Lambert

Thank you. Excited to be here on my first News Roundup with y'all.

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30.853 - 38.658 Regina Barber

We are totally excited to have you. And we're also excited to have a News Roundup favorite, Ari Shapiro, one of the hosts of All Things Considered. Welcome back.

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38.878 - 40.519 Ari Shapiro

I only came because I heard you were going to be here, John.

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42.836 - 49.619 Regina Barber

Okay, so we're going to do what we usually do. We're going to go over three science stories in the news. The first one being what, John?

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49.819 - 54.78 Jonathan Lambert

Contagious peeing in chimps. Need I say any more? No, please don't.

56.021 - 61.083 Regina Barber

And not only do we have peeing chimps, but we're also going to get chirping chorus waves from space.

61.623 - 67.545 Jonathan Lambert

I love chirps. And space. And better vegan cheese. We really contain multitudes.

67.925 - 71.907 Regina Barber

We totally do. All that on this episode of Shortwave, the science podcast from NPR.

Chapter 2: What did Ena Onishi discover about chimpanzees?

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95.253 - 98.436 Regina Barber

Okay, Ari, where do you want to start today?

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98.636 - 106.664 Ari Shapiro

Let's start with contagious peeing among chips. Sorry, it's NPR. We should say urination. Contagious urination. What is going on?

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106.965 - 114.072 Jonathan Lambert

Yeah, okay. So to put this in context, have you ever heard of contagious yawning? Yeah, totally. Like if I yawn, you get the urge to yawn too? Yes.

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114.372 - 123.817 Regina Barber

Yeah, I'm holding back the yawn right now. So Ina Onishi, a grad student at Kyoto University in Japan, was studying a group of captive chimpanzees when something similar struck her as odd.

124.137 - 134.422 Ena Onishi

I noticed that they seem to have a tendency to urinate around the same time. And it kind of reminded me of some human behaviors of going to bathroom together, for example.

134.884 - 141.187 Ari Shapiro

So like the same effect is making chimps pee together that makes us yawn in sequence? Yeah.

141.507 - 152.471 Jonathan Lambert

So this observation got Ina wondering if this behavior might be socially contagious like yawning. And to see if it was, she spent more than 600 hours watching a group of 20 chimpanzees.

Chapter 3: How does social hierarchy affect chimp behavior?

152.771 - 156.356 Ari Shapiro

To see when they pee? She had to track every time one of them relieved themselves?

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156.496 - 168.873 Jonathan Lambert

Yeah, and she said that it was easier to hear them pee than to see them pee. But so she noted when each individual chimp peed and where they were relative to each other. And looking at the data altogether, an interesting pattern emerged.

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Chapter 4: What could be the evolutionary advantages of contagious urination?

169.195 - 183.659 Regina Barber

So basically chimps were peeing together a bit more often than you'd expect if they were just peeing at random. And she published that conclusion in the journal Current Biology this week. Could she tell why this was happening? So being closer helped, but proximity wasn't like the main factor here.

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183.759 - 191.061 Regina Barber

Chimps have a hierarchical society, and it turns out that the lower ranking chimps were more likely to catch the urge to pee from more dominant chimps.

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191.101 - 194.664 Ari Shapiro

So when my boss pees, I'm going to pee? Yeah, maybe.

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195.144 - 202.11 Jonathan Lambert

And they don't know why this is. It could just be that lower ranking chimps are paying closer attention to higher ranking ones. But that's just one possibility.

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202.231 - 210.117 Ari Shapiro

OK, so there's clearly more to study here. But is there any evolutionary reason that contagious urination would be an advantage?

210.718 - 224.667 Jonathan Lambert

One idea is that doing the same thing together just kind of helps a group sync up, which could help them operate better as a unit. If this happens in the wild, it might help the chimps avoid predators who get attracted by the smell of pee by concentrating it all in one spot.

225.267 - 236.031 Regina Barber

But we can't rule out that there might be like a non-adaptive reason. It could be just that the chimps pee when they hear other chimps pee, sort of like humans get the urge when you hear like running water.

236.331 - 242.434 Ari Shapiro

Okay, let's move on from that one. Tell me about our second story, A Chorus in Space.

242.654 - 244.955 Regina Barber

Yeah, so there are these things called chorus waves. Do you want to hear?

Chapter 5: What are chorus waves and why are they significant?

277.332 - 283.777 Richard Horn

But the surprising thing is they actually observe it and they see these waves in this region, which is kind of unexpected. It changes our ideas a little bit.

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284.077 - 293.885 Regina Barber

So that's Richard Horn, a professor and distinguished research scientist at the British Antarctic Survey on Space Weather. He wasn't part of the study, but he said the study might change how scientists think course waves are created.

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294.225 - 294.686 Ari Shapiro

How so?

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295.063 - 305.908 Regina Barber

Well, the leading hypothesis on how chorus waves are created suggests that gradients in the Earth's magnetic field are very important, and that as chorus waves grow, they should cause bunching of electrons.

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306.128 - 320.855 Jonathan Lambert

But here's the complication. This study, for the first time, found chorus waves further out, where Earth's magnetic field is much weaker and non-uniform. And yet the waves were growing and the electrons were still bunched, so the magnetic field gradient did not seem to be that important.

321.275 - 326.857 Ari Shapiro

I'm sure Brian Eno is going to make a record with these waves any day now. But if I'm not Brian Eno, why should I care about this?

327.117 - 339.081 Regina Barber

Right. I mean, legit question. Electrons create these waves and then the waves themselves affect the electrons. It's like a feedback loop. Coarse waves can actually like push these electrons to move nearly the speed of light.

339.301 - 351.555 Jonathan Lambert

And these extremely fast particles can disrupt electrical components that are aboard so many communication satellites and can damage spacecraft too. So understanding how chorus waves are created is important to our everyday lives.

352.316 - 357.943 Ari Shapiro

Okay, shall we make another really hard pivot from chorus waves in space to vegan cheese? What's up with the vegan cheese?

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