Chapter 1: What are the dangers of warming winter lakes?
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So as you know, winter is my jam. I ice fish all winter on a frozen lake in northwest Montana, where I live. Yes, you are our resident Shortwave ice queen. Thank you. I'm not the only one who takes ice seriously. Almost every year since 2011, a huge lake in Madison, Wisconsin, has frozen over enough to support an entire festival.
It's called Frozen Assets, and that's where I headed to report this story. Ooh.
Ooh, this sounds fun. What happens at Frozen Assets?
So on and near the ice of Lake Mendota, there is ice hockey, curling, ice skating. People are flying these giant, colorful kites on the ice. A skydiver is landing on the ice right now. That's incredible. And they did this warm-up for a 5K where more than a thousand people jump up and down on the ice to make it shake.
What? Why would you do that? I don't know. I did not like it.
This lake is over 14 inches, so it's safe. But can it shake?
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Chapter 2: What activities take place at the Frozen Assets Festival?
I spent some years in Maine and in Alaska, and it reminds me of lacing up my skates on the weekend just to go out on the lake and have fun. Though it also reminds me of how nervous I was every time to step on it. I could not imagine going out to a whole festival on a lake. That's a lot of weight on that body of water.
Though at Lake Mendota, it's not every year anymore. Hillary told me that Lake Mendota does freeze over every year. There's even a contest where people guess what day that'll happen. But two years ago, the ice didn't form thick enough in time for the festival.
So the festival on the ice was canceled and it was sort of moved to the shore, which is really unfortunate. It was still fun. You know, we still had a lot of the same things, but, you know, it takes away the spirit of what this festival is about.
At the same time, better for people to be on solid ground, you know? Yeah, and that made me wonder about safety on Lake Ice and how it might be changing. So I went to another expert. I'll let him introduce himself.
Justin Tooze. I'm a firefighter down at Station 1, Madison, Wisconsin Fire Department.
Justin is part of the Lake Rescue Team, a group of firefighters who, among other things, are professionally trained to dive and rescue people who have fallen through the ice. I joined them on one of their training exercises. Nice. So we went to Lake Monona, which is also right in town, to a spot where a river flows into the lake, which basically means there's always open water in that area.
Ooh, sounds like the perfect place for practicing rescues if you're the Madison, Wisconsin Fire Department. I think that's exactly the thought. So I put on this giant yellow immersion suit.
On it goes.
They call it a Gumby suit because you basically walk like the green claymation character Gumby if you try to move. One size fits all usually means men's size. So I followed a couple of firefighters also wearing these suits onto the ice, including Justin. We walked parallel to the river at first and started moving toward it. We stepped over this huge ice crack where you could see the water.
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Chapter 3: How is climate change affecting ice cover on lakes?
It was pretty much the safest situation I could ever be in going into a frozen lake.
Ready to get rescued? I'm ready to get rescued. All right.
So another team member brought over this bright yellow rescue sled and attached my arms into a thick loop. We're going to pull her out. Then he flagged the shore team to start pulling on this ice anchored rope that was attached to the sled.
Get her out, gentlemen. It was all pretty quick. Cool to hear how they practice. How often are they doing it in reality? Like how often are they rescuing people?
Yeah, this year, not a lot because the ice has been super thick. But that's not always the case.
Last year was definitely our busiest year just because of the mild winter.
Justin said that's because there were multiple freezes and thaws, which led to a particular kind of ice shelf that's super dangerous.
When there's solid ice and then there's water on top of it, and then another ice formation forms on top of that water, so it looks like solid ice.
But it's not solid ice at all, and a person who was walking on the ice at night fell through. Oh, gosh.
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Chapter 4: When is it safe to walk on lake ice?
She says 50% of those drownings are related to air temperature.
So basically what that means is that half of those drownings can be explained by winter air temperatures, such that in warmer winters, more people drown.
When temperatures are hovering right around freezing and freezing, unfreezing, freezing, unfreezing, that leads to more of that weak white ice that we talked about earlier. And it's harder to tell just how safe the ice is.
And not to mention riskier for people who can't Judge whether they'll fall through it or not.
Right, going out on the ice. And another thing that makes ice safety trickier to predict is something Hillary calls winter weirding.
We'll just have these really cold polar vortex events followed by heat waves. And so winter is no longer this duration of cold weather. It kind of bounces around all over the place.
So throughout the winter, lake ice is getting more unstable, less safe. Plus, ice is forming later and disappearing earlier.
Depending upon the extent of greenhouse gas warming, you might expect 10 to 28 days less ice cover by the end of the century. And at current greenhouse gas emission scenarios, we forecast about 5,700 lakes may permanently become ice-free within this century.
Over 5,000 lakes permanently ice-free within the century. That is so many! It changes winter as we know it in the north. I guess if there is an upside, it's that if they don't freeze over, it definitely reduces the chances of people falling through. But what is at stake for the environment if all that ice is lost?
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