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The plight of penguins in Antarctica

23 Jan 2026

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Chapter 1: What recent changes are penguins experiencing in Antarctica?

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25.276 - 28.941 Regina Barber

You're listening to Shortwave from NPR.

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Chapter 2: How is climate change affecting penguin breeding patterns?

30.608 - 40.96 Emily Kwong

Hey Shore Wavers, Regina Barber here. And Emily Kwong. With our bi-weekly science news roundup featuring the hosts of All Things Considered. And today we have the glamorous, the brilliant Elsa Chang.

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41.801 - 44.123 Elsa Chang

Aw, thank you guys. Hi Elsa.

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Chapter 3: What methods were used to study penguin breeding in Antarctica?

44.284 - 51.572 Elsa Chang

So glad to be here. Okay, so I heard that we are talking about penguins adapting to climate change in the Antarctic today. Yes.

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52.032 - 57.038 Regina Barber

And we're going to get into a debate about ice skating that may now have an answer. Huh.

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57.018 - 63.638 Emily Kwong

And how dirty diapers train parents in the art of disgust. Oh, interesting. I can't wait.

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Chapter 4: What implications do early breeding times have for penguin populations?

64.421 - 68.192 Emily Kwong

All of that on this episode of Shortwave, the science podcast from NPR.

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Chapter 5: How does ice science relate to the upcoming Winter Olympics?

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128.078 - 131.322 Elsa Chang

OK, kick us off with the Antarctic penguins.

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131.382 - 149.547 Emily Kwong

What's going on with these guys? So a new study in the Journal of Animal Ecology found that they're breeding earlier than ever in the Antarctic spring. Adelie and chinstrap penguins are breeding an average of 10 days earlier and Gentoo penguins almost two weeks earlier. Over the decade, the researchers observed them.

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Chapter 6: What new findings have emerged about the slipperiness of ice?

149.527 - 156.476 Regina Barber

And while two weeks may not seem like a lot of time, researchers say it's actually a radical shift in the penguins' breeding season.

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156.676 - 173.357 Emily Kwong

Wait, so what's causing the shift? So penguins time their breeding period to environmental conditions like temperature outside or whether there's ice on the ground or what food is available. And with climate change, the Antarctic Peninsula is one of the fastest warming areas of the world. And that could be a driver.

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173.337 - 180.553 Elsa Chang

Interesting. So how did they collect all of this data? Like 10 years feels like a very long time to be in Antarctica.

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Chapter 7: How do parents adapt to the disgust associated with dirty diapers?

180.873 - 191.817 Emily Kwong

Yeah. So one of the study's authors, Tom Hart, says they set up 77 cameras across 37 penguin colonies and each camera took photos every hour for a decade.

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192.038 - 193.641 Elsa Chang

Surveillance system.

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193.621 - 208.67 Regina Barber

Yes, it was very clever methodology. We spoke to another penguin researcher who wasn't involved in the paper, Bill Fraser, and he said this camera method is a great way to get long-term data in Antarctica because a lot of work in this region is restricted to human observations.

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209.031 - 214.161 Elsa Chang

Huh. Okay, so then what does all of this mean for the future of Antarctic penguins, you think?

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214.327 - 217.131 Emily Kwong

Well, Tom says that's something they're trying to figure out for future work.

Chapter 8: What can habituation to disgust teach us about human psychology?

217.772 - 229.828 Emily Kwong

Some penguins might thrive. For example, the Gentoo penguins are suited for warmer climates and eat a wider variety of fish. So it seems that Gentoo's are doing better than the other species, which could struggle with warmer temperatures.

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230.288 - 244.047 Elsa Chang

OK, going from Antarctic penguins to the Winter Olympics, which are just a few weeks away. Yes. Yeah. And I think like this would be a great time then to talk about ice science. Tell us, Emily, what is new about ice?

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244.027 - 260.601 Regina Barber

Well, since Victorian times, there's been this idea that ice has a thin layer of water on top, which makes it slippery. And physicists have been arguing about it ever since. Is there a thin film of water even at temps below zero degrees Celsius? And like, how thick is this layer of water?

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260.581 - 278.548 Emily Kwong

And there might be an answer now, published in the Journal of Chemical Physics this week. Luis González McDowell, a chemist at Complutense University of Madrid, looked at research all the way back to the 1930s to address this debate. He also ran computer simulations to see how ice freezes or melts, really looking at what happens to that surface.

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279.589 - 283.195 Elsa Chang

And what did he find? Like, is that thin film of water there?

283.936 - 304.76 Regina Barber

Drumroll. There is a very, very thin layer of water on the ice. even though the ice itself is frozen. And this is true down to negative 10 degrees Celsius. That layer of water is about a nanometer thick. And to put that in perspective, a sheet of paper is 100,000 times thicker than that layer of water. Wow. Here's Luis.

305.221 - 313.673 Luis González McDowell

The surface of ice, which is solid, is always lubricated. You have always, before you start sliding, already a lubrication layer.

313.94 - 325.457 Emily Kwong

And this is interesting because some past theories thought that maybe the pressure from like, let's say, an ice skate may be the thing creating that layer of water on the ice. And he says it's always there down to negative 10 degrees Celsius.

325.837 - 333.028 Elsa Chang

OK, so then to apply this to the Winter Olympics, say, what does this mean for winter sports like ice skating or hockey?

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