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The serious hunt for alien life

23 Feb 2026

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Chapter 1: What was the role of SETI at Home in the search for extraterrestrial intelligence?

0.031 - 20.892 Regina Barber

You're listening to Shortwave from NPR.

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When I was a teenager in the late 90s, I downloaded a special screensaver. It had lots of pretty colors and graphs, but that's not why I wanted it. My goal was to humbly contribute to humankind's search for intelligent life in the universe, a.k.a. aliens. This effort is officially called the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence, or SETI.

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The screensaver I downloaded, called SETI at Home, was part of a large-scale community project to use people's everyday PCs to comb through radio signals that hit Earth from space, mostly from stars. These signals have particular patterns. So if astronomers find a signal that doesn't quite fit those patterns, it could mean some intelligent life is sending them.

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Within a few years, the SETI at Home project recruited 3.8 million people.

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Chapter 2: How did early astronomers listen for signals from Mars?

73.775 - 90.062 James Davenport

I hijacked my parents' little Gateway 2000, and I absolutely cooked it, trying to contribute... So it seemed like the thing, right? It seemed like the one opportunity living in the middle of nowhere and sort of like rural eastern Washington, like, oh, I can be part of this journey that humankind is on. It was amazing.

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That's my friend James Davenport. He's an astronomer at the University of Washington, and his focus is on stars. And I talked to him recently because, importantly for this episode, he's a collaborator with the SETI Institute, a nonprofit research organization that combs through astronomical data in search of signs of life outside of Earth.

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It's a search that goes way back, way before James and I took control of our family's computers, to 1924, when many researchers were excited about Mars and Mars's orbit was close to Earth, making it a prime time to listen to signals from the planet. And so an unconventional astronomer named David Todd convinced multiple radio stations in the U.S. and one in South America to go silent.

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Chapter 3: What is the significance of the Drake equation in the search for alien life?

132.753 - 148.289 James Davenport

So for five minutes on the hour for several days, they would black out all radio transmissions in the U.S. And they would listen. They would point the radio telescopes or the radio transmitters they had at Mars, and they would listen for signs of, you know, Martian NPR.

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David Todd even convinced the U.S. Army and Navy to listen for anything unusual in radio signals.

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Spoiler, they didn't find anything. There was no Martian NPR.

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But humans have continued to look for signs of intelligent life in the universe. And James says we've barely scratched the surface.

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164.989 - 174.521 James Davenport

If the thing we were looking for was the size of the ocean, so far, as of about 2000, we had looked at a pint glass of water compared to the volume of the ocean.

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And that's where our scientific efforts have mostly been, looking at radio transmissions from outer space. SETI has looked for spikes, chirps, and unusual things from radio telescopes for about 60 years. But James and others think there's so much more data to sift through outside of these radio signals. So today on the show, a legitimate look at the search for intelligent life in space.

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The ways we look and how scientists are taking the search to the next level.

Chapter 4: How has astrobiology advanced our understanding of life in the universe?

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I'm Regina Barber and you're listening to Shortwave, the science podcast from NPR.

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213.938 - 232.133 Regina Barber

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Okay, James, let's just like get into it. There's this equation that people throw around. It's an equation that tells us the likelihood that there's alien life that could send us a signal.

Chapter 5: What technological advancements are shaping the future of SETI?

267.449 - 270.514 Unknown

It's called the Drake equation. Can you break that down for us?

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270.534 - 285.255 James Davenport

So the Drake equation is the number of stars times the fraction of those stars that should have intelligent life. It's capable of sending us signals. In its simplest form, it's the number of stars times the fraction of stars that have NPR.

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287.21 - 303.73 James Davenport

Or something like that. Now, what goes into that NPR term? Well, you have to have a planet. It has to be at that Goldilocks distance from its parent star. It has to have water. It has to have all the ingredients that we know and many of the ingredients we don't know. And there's a lot we don't know about what drives life.

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304.351 - 314.807 James Davenport

So the last 25 years, there has been a really big surge in this field called astrobiology. And they've tried to answer the parts of that equation like, well, how many stars have planets?

Chapter 6: How can optical astronomy contribute to the search for extraterrestrial life?

315.929 - 337.395 James Davenport

Is it every star? Is it only stars like our sun? So now we know that on average, every star roughly has at least one planet. Wow. At least one rocky type planet on average. Wow. That's so many. That means there's so many. That means that for a galaxy of more than 100 billion stars, that means we have at least 100 billion planets to search.

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337.415 - 348.368 James Davenport

And even still, even after 25 years of astrobiology, we still don't know. There still is enough unknowns in that equation that we don't know the answer still. So there's a lot of work to be done.

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And the Drake equation doesn't take into account time. I personally was like, OK, the universe is like 13.8 billion years old. Our sun is like around 4.6 billion years old.

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Chapter 7: What impact will the Vera Rubin telescope have on our understanding of the cosmos?

361.065 - 367.313 Unknown

I feel like there could have been civilizations that were come and gone by that point. But that equation doesn't take that into account.

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367.493 - 387.399 James Davenport

You can write it in a way that does. You can write it in such a way that how many civilizations arise. And what's the likelihood that they live long enough to develop radio telescopes and astronomy and space travel perhaps? So you can write the equation sort of in different ways. It's not a strict equation in the same way as Einstein's theory of relativity.

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387.739 - 393.187 James Davenport

It's an equation that gives us kind of an outline for how to frame the problem. It's more of a illustration.

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Okay. So this illustration, this equation comes from a man who kind of began what led to like modern SETI.

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399.817 - 416.137 James Davenport

So really what we consider the beginning of modern SETI is 1960. So Frank Drake, who some people know from the Drake equation, which tries to quantify what's the likelihood that we're alone in the universe. He was actually the pioneer where he had time on a radio telescope for good bread and butter astronomy reasons.

416.198 - 423.006 James Davenport

At this point in the 1960s, people are looking at galaxies and gas and dust in the sort of interstellar medium.

Chapter 8: How do scientists maintain hope in the search for alien life despite the challenges?

423.408 - 441.623 James Davenport

And radio telescopes are a new technology still. And he decides to point it at a couple of nearby stars to quote-unquote listen, with the intent of looking for... again, chirps or pulses or some kind of transmission, he doesn't find anything. But he starts what he calls Project Ozma, named after the Wizard of Oz.

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Oh, my gosh.

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442.704 - 442.984 James Davenport

Right?

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Okay, cool.

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444.566 - 454.258 James Davenport

And he starts to look for signs of, you know, transmissions, intentional transmissions from technology. And this is really the beginning of what we call SETI, the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence.

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OK, and since SETI has like been efficiently operational, that's like 1985, we haven't found anything. Right. But you mentioned that analogy that like we've only searched like the equivalent of a pint glass of water versus like the ocean that is the entire sky.

471.6 - 479.3 James Davenport

We've done a lot of work since. So my estimate a couple of years ago was we've pushed that from a pint glass of water to maybe a hot tub. Okay.

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That's not bad.

480.941 - 484.666 James Davenport

Yeah. That's massive progress, right? There's a lot of pint glasses in a hot tub.

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