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The world’s freshwater is getting saltier. Why?

25 Mar 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

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24.928 - 28.553 Emily Kwong

You're listening to Shortwave from NPR.

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Chapter 2: Why is freshwater around the world getting saltier?

30.035 - 40.414 Emily Kwong

Hey, Shore Wavers. Emily Kwong here. And this week, we are doing a deep dive into a vital resource that all of life depends on, water. With producer Burleigh McCoy. Hey, Burleigh.

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40.654 - 52.536 Burleigh McCoy

Hey, Emily. So, okay, today I want to talk about a phenomenon that's happening all over the world to freshwater. So we're talking lakes, rivers, groundwater. They are all getting saltier.

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52.856 - 53.157 Emily Kwong

Wait.

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53.288 - 69.466 Burleigh McCoy

What? Why is fresh water getting saltier? Well, it's for a few reasons, but to figure out why, I recently took a trip to Madison, Wisconsin. And there, it's mainly because of all the road salt they put down in the colder months to melt snow and ice. Wow.

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69.827 - 75.854 Hilary Dugan

So here in the Midwest, we're, you know, putting millions of tons of road salt into the environment every winter.

75.894 - 85.245 Burleigh McCoy

This is Hilary Dugan. She studies freshwater at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. And she says the road salt eventually washes away and ends up in the local water.

85.605 - 95.876 Hilary Dugan

We're now talking 70-plus years of road salt use. And what we've seen in the lakes is... The salinity kind of steadily increasing year after year as more and more salt is put down.

95.897 - 101.202 Emily Kwong

I guess it really does add up. Yeah. That much road salt and it's really impacting the environment.

101.462 - 119.34 Burleigh McCoy

Yeah. And the drinking water where it's also starting to show up. And this is not just Madison's water. Freshwater is getting saltier all over the world for a lot of reasons beyond road salt. And it's a problem scientists have just started seriously studying in the last few decades.

Chapter 3: What role does road salt play in freshwater salinity?

148.514 - 164.358 Burleigh McCoy

Well, water is a big part of life there. There are these two big lakes on either side of downtown. The university campus is right on the shore of one of them. In the summer, there's a waterfront festival. In the winter, there's a festival on frozen lake ice. You just get the feel that the lakes are a part of life there.

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164.458 - 183.988 Burleigh McCoy

So it wasn't a good thing when a few decades ago, people started noticing the salt levels or the salinity of the local lakes were really rising. Before road salt was introduced, the lakes around Madison had virtually no salt. Today, the saltiest lake in Madison is Lake Wingra at over 100 milligrams per liter.

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184.569 - 192.139 Burleigh McCoy

So it's still technically considered freshwater, but that level is approaching the point that some people could start to taste it in water.

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192.457 - 198.444 Emily Kwong

That is a huge change. And you said it's happening all over the world, not just in Madison.

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198.684 - 215.444 Burleigh McCoy

Yeah, lots of places. In 2017, Hillary looked at hundreds of lakes in the northern U.S. and Canada and found that around half of them had gotten saltier. Basically, if a lake is by a road that's salted, it's super likely some of that salt is going to end up in the lake. And that's the case globally as well.

216.085 - 222.149 Emily Kwong

Is road salt the only reason that water around the world is getting saltier? There has to be other stuff.

222.41 - 234.504 Burleigh McCoy

Yeah. So in places where it snows a lot, it is often because of road salt. But salt can come from runoff, from fertilizer or mining activities. And another big source is something called seawater intrusion.

234.804 - 244.015 Emily Kwong

Oh, yeah. We talked about that in yesterday's episode. And how one way this happens is when people pump too much water out of their local aquifer and ocean water starts flowing in.

244.415 - 254.349 Burleigh McCoy

And, Emily, then there's climate change. So as global temperatures go up, more freshwater evaporates. which makes things saltier because you have less water, but the same amount of salt.

Chapter 4: How does climate change contribute to freshwater salinity?

461.627 - 479.47 Burleigh McCoy

This is making me realize how long salt sticks around. Yeah. I mean, one of my sources told me that some people in New York have to buy bottled water because their groundwater is too salty to drink. And one family even had to sell their dairy cows because you can buy bottled water for your family, but you can't really buy it for your cows.

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480.111 - 485.843 Burleigh McCoy

So the obvious way to slow or stop water from getting saltier is to use less salt.

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486.144 - 490.112 Emily Kwong

You can't reverse it, but you can stop it from getting worse, from getting saltier.

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490.332 - 511.887 Burleigh McCoy

Right. And one person who is advocating for this is Allison Madison. She leads a nonprofit called SaltWise, which started when people at the city and county levels in Madison started noticing salt levels going up in drinking water and wastewater. I think of it as kind of being a cheerleader for using less salt. So SaltWise leads trainings and talks.

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511.947 - 534.671 Burleigh McCoy

They advocate for things like cleaning up extra salt before it washes away. are calibrating equipment so plow drivers know how much their salt trucks are putting down, which changes with the pavement temperature. So people should also be measuring that. And something that has made a big difference in using less salt is liquid brine. What? Brining the roads? Brining the roads.

534.692 - 536.114 Emily Kwong

Like you brine a turkey for Thanksgiving?

536.514 - 543.264 Burleigh McCoy

The very same, Emily. What? So the city now sprays streets when a storm is predicted before the snow falls.

543.644 - 553.296 Allison Madison

Because you can actually lose 30%. percent of your salt off the road as the truck drives by so that spraying it with brine helps it stay in place. It sticks and it starts working faster.

553.356 - 560.368 Burleigh McCoy

So Allison says it makes it so snow doesn't stick easily to the pavement. So think of cooking without oil in your pan.

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