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This medical condition stumped doctors for years

05 May 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

1.195 - 22.284 Unknown

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23.325 - 26.95 Emily Kwong

You're listening to Shortwave from NPR.

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29.258 - 32.784 Kyla Madonna Kenney

October 8th, 2016. That's when I woke up and everything changed.

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34.166 - 39.355 Emily Kwong

Kyla Madonna Kenny is a musician. And that day, she was supposed to sing at a wedding.

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40.076 - 63.376 Kyla Madonna Kenney

But when she opened her eyes that morning... The room was spinning and I was shaking, but only on one side. And I had a migraine that was so bad, I felt like I couldn't even function. And I remember saying to my husband, something's really wrong with me. I somehow managed to get to the wedding, and I was singing the meditation songs.

63.677 - 67.102 Kyla Madonna Kenney

And in the middle of that one song, I felt like I was blacking out.

67.122 - 78.859 Emily Kwong

Days later, the symptoms were still there. Tremors on one side of her body, her right side, that she could not control. And within her body, it felt like an electric current.

79.319 - 103.714 Kyla Madonna Kenney

It made me feel unsteady, like to walk, to see things. And the migraines came through where smell, sight, sound, touch. If anyone touched me, it would hurt. Kyla went to a doctor who asked her, Did anything upset you recently? Is there something that has caused you some anxiety? Have you talked to your therapist?

104.487 - 111.814 Emily Kwong

But this didn't seem like anxiety. She got a second opinion and a third opinion. She talked to so many doctors.

Chapter 2: What symptoms did Kyla experience that changed her life?

118.52 - 134.494 Kyla Madonna Kenney

Other doctors had other theories. Sinus infections. So they had me on antibiotics. A couple unnecessary surgeries. It had nothing to do with that. Ended up calling 911 because I was blacking out. They told me that I was anxious, anxious, anxious.

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134.474 - 147.897 Emily Kwong

For two long years. Until Kyla met someone who saw what she saw. David Perez, a neurologist and psychiatrist. The first day she went to his office and described her symptoms. Dr. Perez said, do this for me.

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148.058 - 153.066 Kyla Madonna Kenney

Put your hands out. And I did. I got my right arm shaking and my left hand was steady.

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153.287 - 164.319 Emily Kwong

And then he told her to focus her attention on her other arm, the one that wasn't shaking. With her steady hand, Dr. Perez guided her to start tapping her thumb and point her finger together.

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164.559 - 183.643 Kyla Madonna Kenney

My right hand tremor stopped, like, immediately. And I looked at him and I said, why did it stop? I said, you don't understand. I'm not faking this. I don't want you to think I've been faking. I'm not okay. And he said, I know what you have. This is functional neurological disorder. And I'm crying. And he said, we can help you.

184.584 - 208.677 Emily Kwong

And I had never heard those words. The symptoms that come with functional neurological disorder, or FND, are one of the top reasons people visit neurologists at all. But it happens that the disorder is missed, even though it is more common than other neurological conditions, including ALS or Lou Gehrig's disease and multiple sclerosis.

209.467 - 239.738 Emily Kwong

So today on the show, why everyone needs to know about functional neurological disorder, a disease often missed by medical providers that challenges our understanding of the brain-body connection. We speak with Kyla's doctor, David Perez. I'm Emily Kwong, and you're listening to Shortwave, the science podcast from NPR. All right.

239.758 - 262.035 Emily Kwong

I am here with Dr. David Perez of Massachusetts General Hospital Brigham and Harvard University. He's the person who finally recognized Kyla's symptoms for what they were, functional neurological disorder or FND. Just to ease us all into what this disease looks like, I want to start with an analogy. So, David, if the brain is like a computer, what then is FND?

262.1 - 286.918 Dr. David Perez

Great place to start. One of the classic metaphors is this notion that the hardware is healthy, but the software is crashing. Another metaphor is this notion of brain-mind-body overload. that maybe at times when our brain circuits and our bodies reach certain thresholds of its capacity, that brain circuits become a bit scrambled and glitchy.

Chapter 3: Why did doctors initially misdiagnose Kyla's condition?

392.978 - 411.447 Dr. David Perez

The piece there that maybe I just want to spend a moment on to dispel is this notion that childhood maltreatment or adverse life experiences are a definitive and required risk factor for the development of functional neurological disorder. Okay. That's not true.

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411.427 - 426.465 Emily Kwong

Yeah, fascinating. When I read about FND for the first time, I was amazed because doctors thought FND, they called it hysteria in an earlier time period. What have doctors thought FND was throughout time?

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426.614 - 449.685 Dr. David Perez

It's a complex history. It's received many different terms and labels, psychogenic illness, medically unexplained symptoms, physical problems related to a wandering womb. The other framing that has been fairly pervasive is this notion of conversion disorder, the sense that there is psychological conflict

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449.665 - 474.407 Dr. David Perez

and that psychological conflict is being converted into physical symptoms with thoughts that if you addressed the psychological conflict, then the physical symptoms might resolve. So that's a really significant oversimplification, and both neurology and psychiatry have this shared origin story of an interest in functional neurological disorder. But as the history evolved,

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474.387 - 488.886 Dr. David Perez

the fields of neurology and psychiatry separated. This separation, what it did was create a big gulf and a big gap for patients who kind of didn't quite fit into the lens of one discipline or the other.

489.035 - 500.047 Emily Kwong

And it was a diagnosis of exclusion sometimes. Conversion disorder could be just the thing that's said when nothing else quite fits at certain moments in its history.

500.307 - 504.652 Dr. David Perez

That's right. That approach of a diagnosis of exclusion is not how we do it today.

504.812 - 510.859 Emily Kwong

Yeah. What had to change in medicine for FND to finally be recognized?

511.199 - 529.542 Dr. David Perez

I think there's been a couple of pivotal things. One is this use of a rule-in approach. that it's no longer a diagnosis of exclusion, it's no longer a medical mystery, that there are signs we can look for to diagnose this condition with confidence and clarity.

Chapter 4: How did Dr. David Perez finally diagnose Kyla's condition?

670.91 - 687.63 Emily Kwong

But when the strong leg is consciously tested instead, when the participant is told, like, okay, focus on your strong leg, the weak leg's strength temporarily returns, which is very cool. And I'm curious, David, what do you think this test reveals about the brain-body connection and what's going on with this condition?

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687.931 - 718.302 Dr. David Perez

That tells you that by leveraging a reflex that the basic pathways for motor control are intact. Yeah. And the notion here in functional neurological disorder is that the basic motor pathways are intact, but other brain networks are intruding and hijacking on those basic motor pathways. That's the framing biologically of a functional neurological disorder.

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718.535 - 734.696 Emily Kwong

That is such a clever way to diagnose FND because it is often been missed. FND was only added to the DSM in 2013. That's right. What do we know now about some of the best practices for treating people and caring for people who have this condition?

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734.916 - 762.019 Dr. David Perez

The first step is making sure that the patient and the family members and other supports are are really given some educational information about F&D. And then when I think about F&D care, what it really benefits from is thinking, do you have an expert on the neurology side that's weighing in on your examination? Do you have an expert on the mental health side that's weighing in on the context?

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762.519 - 789.03 Dr. David Perez

And are they working together? There's an element of brain retraining and motor retraining. And that happens through physical therapy, occupational therapy, and speech and language pathology. And then as we think about brain retraining, that's where skills-based psychotherapy or what one form of that is called cognitive behavioral therapy, that's oftentimes coupled with physical treatments too.

789.451 - 795.057 Dr. David Perez

These are some of the things that I think are important.

795.077 - 815.649 Emily Kwong

What I learned from David is is that every FND treatment plan needs to be different because every person's case is so different. For Kyla, what has helped is a combination of things. Meditating, knowing what triggers her symptoms, and doing cognitive behavioral therapy. There's a special kind of cognitive behavioral therapy just for people with FND.

816.49 - 833.305 Emily Kwong

Talking to other people with this condition also helps. She and one of her friends call each other the FNDivas. And because she's a musician, she's also shared her experience through song. Giving a name to a condition that was once so mysterious to her, and a voice to her journey of finally being believed.

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But I was relentless. I had to fight for my life. No one could see the terror in me. I had to find someone who would believe. I found a place. They listened to me.

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