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Why Kratom Is At The Heart Of A Big Public Health Debate

29 Dec 2025

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

0.031 - 16.074 Emily Kwong

Hey, everyone. Emily Kwong here. Just a word before today's episode. 2025 is almost over, and at NPR and our local stations, we are excited to begin a new year. This year was tough. The loss of federal funding for public media, attacks on the free press.

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16.935 - 29.39 Emily Kwong

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Chapter 2: What is kratom and where does it come from?

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Emily Kwong here with Rachel Carlson, one of our show's producers.

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74.077 - 89.353 Rachel Carlson

Hey, Rachel. Hey, Emily. So I am here today to talk to you about something becoming more popular. It's called kratom or kratom. People pronounce it both ways, but a lot of the sources I talked to said kratom. So I think that's what we'll stick with for this episode.

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89.774 - 91.556 Emily Kwong

Well, where does kratom come from exactly?

92.076 - 111.782 Rachel Carlson

Kratom is derived from tree leaves. It's been used for centuries in Southeast Asia, mostly Indonesia, Malaysia and Thailand. for energy and to treat pain. But in the U.S., it's sort of an umbrella term that includes a bunch of different products like teas, pills, extracts, synthetic goods that all vary in strength depending on how they're made.

112.443 - 128.904 Rachel Carlson

It's kind of like when someone says cannabis products, that could mean whole leaf or extracts from the leaves or synthetic products. Okay, so the term kratom could actually mean a bunch of different things? Yeah, I've heard it referred to as a drug, as a supplement, as an ingredient.

129.505 - 137.896 Rachel Carlson

So I asked the FDA, the Food and Drug Administration, and they told me in an email statement, it depends on the specific product.

137.916 - 139.017 Emily Kwong

Okay, complicated.

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