The Science of Psoriasis

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Show Me the Science with Luke O'Neill 15 min 2 speakers 5 chapters transcribed 4 months ago
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Show Me The Science with Professor Luke O'Neill.
Professor Luke O'Neill 0:04
Hello, Luke O'Neill here and welcome to Show Me The Science, my weekly podcast here with Newstalk. Now, I do get loads of requests and keep them coming in. Now, I'm trying to do them as much as possible. And if stuff comes in that I know stuff about or I feel I can help with, I will certainly cover it. And this week, Emma Foley has sent in a request to do psoriasis. And I jumped at this one because I know all about psoriasis and I've done some work. on psoriasis myself over the years. And in fact, I have mild psoriasis myself and it's very, very common. In Ireland, at least 5% of us have some kind of psoriasis. Now I'm lucky, it's very mild. It's on my elbows, knees, it comes and goes, you know. But some people have very severe psoriasis.
Professor Luke O'Neill 0:43
That's the severe end of it, I guess. But it's very common as a condition, so I'm very happy to cover it. I've been following this as a research area since the mid-80s, remarkably. It's a classic immune disease. In this case, the skin gets affected, of course, and my main specialty is immune diseases. especially what I call autoimmune diseases, where your own immune system attacks your own body.

What is psoriasis and how common is it?

Professor Luke O'Neill 1:07
Auto means self, and your own self gets attacked by the immune system. And psoriasis is an autoimmune disease. And we can start off by saying we don't know what causes it. We know it's in the skin. The key feature, as anybody would be familiar with this disease, but now you get red scaly patches on your skin. And in severe cases, they can cover 80, 90% of your body. So it's a very serious disease down that end of the spectrum. What's happening is the cells in your skin are dividing too much. Now in your skin, you've got things called keratinocytes. That's the cell type in your skin. And they're the ones that make the skin actually. And they turn over. All cells in our body turn over and they die and are replaced.
Professor Luke O'Neill 1:45
In psoriasis, it's very simple. They're dividing too much and they reckon overall they're dividing about three times the rate in normal skin. And they pile up and they pile up and they pile up in the skin and they die and then debris is formed and the immune system doesn't like this and it goes in and tries to handle this situation. And the trouble is that immune reaction then causes all the features of an immune type response. You get redness, you get itchiness, you get pain, just as if you've scratched yourself, I suppose, in a way. And in this case, the scratch is being caused by your own cells in your skin dividing too much. In some ways, we see most autoimmune diseases, they're sometimes called wounds that won't heal properly.
Professor Luke O'Neill 2:24
Because you can imagine if you scratch yourself in the skin, it will go red, it will be sore. The immune system will go in and try to clear sort of any infection that's in the broken skin. That's what's happening in psoriasis, but there's no infection. That's the mystery. Why would the immune response be kicked off in that situation and mimic as if there's been an injury and infection? And that's the thing we don't know.
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There's some evidence that might be something wrong with the barrier. Their skin is a barrier. It's maybe slightly different in someone who has psoriasis and the barrier is a bit broken. Maybe some bacteria get in.
Professor Luke O'Neill 2:55
and begin to irritate further. But it's very hard to find a bacteria in the skin of psoriatic people. And so it's been caused by that. If it was caused by a bacteria, of course, it would respond to antibiotics. And it doesn't really, mostly speaking. So it can't really be bacterial in origins. It's a mystery as to what's causing this. And lots of research is trying to pin that down. But we do know it's immune. We know cells called T-cells go in. That'll be very important later. And these T-cells are involved in fighting infection and they go in in droves into the psoriatic skin and they release all these sort of chemicals that will cause the inflammation that's happening in the skin. And inflammation, of course, is the hallmark of psoriasis redness.

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