Chapter 1: What insights do Shaun Goater and Andy Townsend share about Premier League action?
Thanks for listening to the Goals on Sunday podcast. Great analyst, Andy Townsend. And Sean Gota absolutely knows his stuff through and through. We had a great time with him.
We did. We had a great build-up to the games today. Good discussion. Hardly any VAR. That's a first, Cammie. We didn't mention VAR. And you're still smiling. Look about that. Cammie, it is final day. I know.
I'm going as well.
Rub that in. I didn't get a ticket, but Cammy's going off to Wembley.
Yeah, I got an invite. Well, I did the semi-final draw, didn't I? So Carabao invited me along.
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Chapter 2: How do Goater and Townsend view the upcoming Carabao Cup final?
So is that what you're telling me I need to do next year? Do the draw and I'll get an invite. Not only is he going, he's got two tickets and didn't even invite me. But it is, it's a big day.
It is a big day. We're not talking VAR at the top. We're not? We are. We are, we are, we are. Because in Belfast yesterday, there was an IFAB meeting and Giannani Infantino, the FIFA president, had this to say about our Premier League.
I think we all need to relax a little bit on this topic. Because, actually, there is only one league in the world today where this issue seems to be a big problem, which is the Premier League.
Oh, Gianni with some strong words there.
Well, Pierluigi Collina has also had his say. He said, certainly in the future, there will be less possibility for a single competition organiser or association to do different to other countries.
Yeah.
So he means us. Look at the monitor. That's what he's talking about.
Let him do it.
Let him do it, Mr Reilly.
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Chapter 3: What was the impact of VAR on recent Premier League matches?
At this moment, I'm kind of proud of that right now. about the history and things turned out with me at City. But, yeah, I realised that I wasn't good enough. At the time, I thought I was, but... Who was the manager? Sir Alex Ferguson.
Sir Alex.
He had an eye for a good player, you know. Did he talk to you and say, well, you're not getting your opportunity? Well, yeah. He said, Sean, you're like fifth. Mark Hughes never got injured. Brian McClure never got injured. Mark Robbins was third. There was another striker, Daniel Graham. And I'm surprised I still remember him. And I think I was that far down.
For me, it was a case of then going on the ladder and then starting over again. But certainly so pleased to have the opportunity to become a professional and then just go from there, yeah.
Well, it has been an interesting journey because I was looking yesterday. This is where we need you to stay with us on this journey because, Sean, over five seasons, you were relegated, promoted, promoted again, relegated and promoted at City.
I've got to have a word with my defenders.
Yes.
Yes, I know about that relegation.
Did you wake up some mornings and think, what division? Where am I going?
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Chapter 4: How did Shaun Goater's career begin and evolve in football?
I needed to win that battle against, not against, but win that battle in terms of the mental battle in how the fans saw me.
Yeah. But then the confidence came and then the goals started coming the next season.
And then songs like Feed the Goat. Yeah, the confidence came. I had belief. Belief just sort of went like that. But I had sort of tools and how to cope with whether I was being cheered or booed. And so a lot of those skills and tools I used.
But I'm so thankful of the journey because I learned about me that we all know as former players that you can be in a situation where you go like, I'm not fit when the pressure's really on. But I always was fit. I always declared myself fit and ready to play. And there was a couple of times my confidence was that low.
you know i'll be thinking i was like joe don't pick me joe don't pick me and he said yeah and tomorrow's game starting up front is showing i mean that's where my confidence was um but again the psychologist that i used was absolutely brilliant and today you see players use psychologists but they don't go through and advertise it they don't advertise it but uh it was the best thing i've done and uh i've been able to sort of have that relationship with the fans as well
And then an interesting point that in your game as well, that you then was like the work rate, because at first you didn't see the benefit of why would I run down and close down a player? But then you changed that in your game.
Yeah. And coincidentally, one of the goals that everyone remembers will be the, I say the pass from Gary Navell. I chased the lost course, you know, Mark Vivian, rest in peace, he's misplaced the pass, and I'm really just chasing it down 30 yards. And Gary Neville could have made several options.
I've gone and chased it down, put a block in, it fell for me, and I've gone to score, you know, one of the best goals, only because of my work rate. I like to think because of my ability, but that was just the work rate.
Well, you definitely were the go-to man for City because then you had back-to-back promotions as well.
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Chapter 5: What challenges did Goater face during his time at Manchester City?
We're going to see one a little bit later. Did you always believe you'd score in the Premier League?
Yeah, I have that belief that if there's a goal scorer in the championship, I feel they can score goals in the Premier League. but they need to be with a club or a team or a manager that's able to provide them with opportunities. You know, when I look at City... This is your first one.
Yeah, when I look at City, I'm thinking, Aguero knows he can go to sleep because he knows he's going to get two, three opportunities. But you can get some players at some clubs. Where's my opportunity coming? When I first went to City, or the first full season, I didn't know where chances were coming from. So it was lucky knockdowns from, you know, ricochets in and around the box.
And until I then started having an understanding of someone like Ian Bishop and Kevin Horlock, then I'll get these sort of through balls and knowing that they're already players that can, you know, provide you those opportunities.
Look at the pitches.
Keep your eye on your ball the whole time. That was August as well. First game of the season.
But then the goals did come in, yeah. You see you limping off there, but that season you got relegated.
Yes.
The highs and then the lows.
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Chapter 6: How did Goater adapt to the pressures of being a striker?
The Sir Steele stands as, I think, one of the quickest goals as a sub. Nine seconds. Somebody may be talking in the air and say, yes, that's right. Wayne, are you listening?
But that was a special one, the final game at Main Road.
Oh, it was. It was because for me, the actual, the last game at Main Road, I'm surprised to see sort of banners up there saying about, you know, Sean go to feed the goat. And I'm just thinking emotionally, like, this is the last game at Main Road. And I'm thinking, so great to have played a part.
And funny enough, a year or so later after, when I went there and it was all sort of demolished and flattened, for me, it was emotional to think the great memories that were there that I had as a player, you know, the ups and the downs. And I had to sort of just stand there for a moment and sort of take it in, like the memories of Main Road. Yeah.
Wow. And I know, Andy, we've been talking about Sean and his ups and downs, but you've experienced all the emotions too. You dropped down and then you played with Borough and helped them to promotion.
Indeed, did. At the back of my career, I had an opportunity to go to Borough, which I really enjoyed.
Is that Merce and crossing that in?
That's Merce, yeah. Merce just knocking that one through. Took me about quarter an hour to get back, I think, there from that one. but uh i you know we did we got promoted straight away and uh there he is There's Robbo having a little drop for a change. And Gazza. A lot of people don't remember that Gazza played in the Championship. He did.
I mean, listen, that team, you know, we had Gaz, we had Gary Pallister, Merce was there, myself, I think Ince came. You know, Robbo had a lot of good players there. We got to a League Cup final in 98. Middlesbrough and unfortunately we got beat by Chelsea. That one just went, you know, we just missed out on that one.
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Chapter 7: What role did teamwork play in Goater's success at City?
Yeah, the last one was 96. This was against Leeds. Very different to the 94 one because in... In 94, we weren't playing well. In 96, we were playing very well going into it. We had a good team. Dwight York and Savo Milošević scored a stunning goal there to put us in front. And then Ian Taylor volleyed this one in.
And Tails is a great Villa boy, through and through, works at the club still today. And then Yorkie got in on the act with the third one. But that didn't flatter us on the day. We played very, very well. And that was a very special day.
Virginia Bottenley kindly handed me the base of the trophy as well as the cup itself and I didn't know what to do with it until I started to pass it all along the line. But it was a wonderful day, a very, very special day.
And a man of the match performance as well.
A man of the match performance, yeah, that was very kind. I think Big Ron was a commentator on the day, so I think I had half a chance as he bought me a few years before. But you had a good game as well. Yeah, no, I did all right. I played well on the day, but we all did. We all played very well on the day and it was lovely. It was great.
Listen, you get to Wembley in a final and if you can play well, walk up the steps, pick the trophy up and someone says you're the man of the match, it doesn't get much better than that.
It is magical moments. And obviously some great players in that team. Southgate, Ugo Iggy Hogg you played with.
Correct. Ugo got resting, was playing. Gareth and Paul McGrath at the back. They were a beautifully balanced three. Brian Little put that team together very well. We had energy. We had youthful, you know, a youthful look in some of these boys were coming through.
A couple of old ones like myself and Big Paul still in there and some real quality in people like Dwight, who was a terrific player, went on to such great success at United. But I felt Doug Ellis let that team split up far too quickly. He didn't do enough to keep that together. He should have done more on reflection because that was a very, very good team at that point.
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Chapter 8: What reflections do the guests have on their experiences in football?
I think it's Aguero today. But I love the tactics and strategy that Pep had used, Jesus against Real Madrid. But I would be amazed, as much as I was amazed, to see the starting team against Real Madrid. I think Aguero will start this game. I feel Sterling will start as well, along with David Silva. If those players aren't playing, I'd be surprised.
But it's quality right the way through, no matter who starts. Even if Phil Ferdinand's in there, it's a quality player.
Andy, will the 6-1 defeat have any bearing on today?
Yeah, so they've got to learn from that. You've got to take that on board. But you mustn't be fearful, Cami, today. If they just get out there to just try and stay in the game. Watford yesterday, they didn't just try and stay in that game. They made sure they were hard to break down, but they had a punch. They had a threat. They believed they could cause some damage.
And Villa have to have that mentality. If they don't, they will lose and they could lose by a few. If they believe they can hurt them and get the ball to Grealish and one or two of those quicker wide players, whether it's El Ghazi, Trezeguet, whatever, then they can cause a problem or two. There's no question City aren't the greatest when they're going backwards towards their own goal.
That's their weakest point. If you just sit and allow De Bruyne and Silva to have it, good night, they're going to beat you. But if you can get at them and believe you can hurt them, and that's what Villa have got to do, we've got to focus on, then it might happen.
Well, I'm looking forward to it, even though I'm going to be at home watching it on my sofa at Cammy. We've done you a disservice here, Shaw, because we haven't even mentioned your MBE. We've been talking about the goat, feed the goat and everything, but you've got an MBE. Yeah, yeah. We didn't forget.
Apparently it's the longest conversation anyone's ever had with the Queen.
You'd like to know what we're talking about, eh? Well, yes. No, it was really, I was asking her, is she a Man City supporter or a Man United supporter? And typically she says, well, I support all teams. And she has this handshake, which is a gentle nudge, nudge back, which is basically, it's time to do one. And I was like, no, I really want to know, who do you support? Man City or Man United?
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