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More VAR controversy in nervy Liverpool win & Chelsea come from behind to beat Arsenal
29 Dec 2019
Chapter 1: What was the controversy surrounding VAR in the Liverpool vs. Wolves match?
All the way across and netto! Well, brace yourselves, the decision is coming. Well, Wolves are going to be fuming about this, the goal has been disallowed.
Furious indeed, but Liverpool's effective, ruthless winning machine rumbles on. That's back-to-back clean sheets at home as well, supervised by Virgil van Dijk. Sadio Mane got the first goal. We can hear from those two with Greg Whelan.
Guys, well done. Virgil, another three points, but three points you had to really work for in the end.
Yeah, it's because of Wolves. They're a fantastic side. They play good football. You have to give them credit as well. It's always going to be difficult against them. Today was the same.
Sadio, your goal won it in the end. Congratulations. You had to wait a little while for the VAR check, didn't you? Did you fear the worst? Did you think it might be disallowed?
To be honest, for sure. I think because I saw the ball from the beginning, I know he was in the shoulder. So when I scored, I knew that was a goal. So I was not panicked. Maybe Virgil and the other guys were. Marcelo was short as a goal, but that's it. Sometimes you're lucky, sometimes you're unlucky, but it's part of football. We have to deal with it and accept the final decision.
What did you think? What did the other players think? Did you think because of the weight involved that it might not happen?
It's part of VAR at the moment, the weight thing. She's not ideal, but what can I say? I won't say too much about it.
Let's clear one thing up, though. The Wolves players were chiefly upset by what they thought was a handball by yourself. The ball appearing, they thought, to have brushed your arm in the build-up to Sadio's goal. What's your recollection of that?
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Chapter 2: How did Liverpool manage to secure a win against Wolves despite the pressure?
And yeah, I will try to keep working hard with my teammate. Yeah, because our target is, we know our target and working for it and we'll see.
It wasn't too bad a year for you personally either, was it? PFA Player of the Year, Premier League Player of the Year, several major honours. But more importantly, what platform do you feel you guys have built for 2020?
We want to just keep continuing what we are doing at the moment and then we'll see in the end of the road where we're going to be. We feel like we can still improve in the games we've played, we can do better, but we can't complain about the position we're in right now. 2019 has been very promising and hopefully we can keep it going and be positive and enjoy the ride as well.
Another step on the journey, well done today. Thank you very much.
Frightening prospect for everybody else, the thought that Liverpool could actually improve on this current form. Jamie Carragher has rejoined us. What's your feeling, Jamie, about the way that Liverpool have won this game?
The same as I've seen them win lots of games this season. I think I mentioned a few weeks ago, they just do enough in the games you expect them to win. And the performance levels really go up when they play the top teams where you think it might be a tighter game. But a few weeks ago against Watford, Watford should have got a draw out the game.
There could certainly have been something here for Wolves today. I don't think Wolves had a...
a real big chance where you think maybe they should have scored in it as such but Liverpool sort of getting to the end of the game it was similar against Brighton even some away games started the season Southampton away and then Crystal Palace away a few weeks ago they just seem to win by the odd goal do enough and then just raise the levels in the in the other games but they certainly keep the Anfield crowd on their tent hooks towards the end no doubt
And there were controversial moments in that first half particularly. Liverpool get themselves in front through Sadio Mane. The referee on field takes the decision that it's a handball until VAR overturn it. Graham, should they have any complaints on this?
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Chapter 3: What were the players' reactions to the VAR decisions during the match?
But the line says, and this is a technology that's used, so I don't think anybody can argue that the technology is saying it's offside, but it's so marginal. Like Graham said at half-time, we don't like the rule, and that's the bit that feels so half, and that's why the Wolves players and the timing, everything else makes it so, so emotional for all the players.
I will get your thoughts in just a moment, but just before going into the referees' room, Conor Cody has spoken to us with Greg Whelan.
Conor, commiserations, all in all, are you all feeling a little bit hard done by at the moment?
Massively. It's constantly happening. It's ridiculous. People talk about where we are, but they don't ask us about the situation, I think. For me, it's not working, but a lot of people would say they're getting the right results and things like that. I don't know.
It's the fact you give a decision and then you head round the decision and you can change it for handball and different things and then the offside. I can't get my head round it, honestly, God, I can't get my head round it. I think it happened against Manchester City, but we managed to come back because we showed character. I thought we were fantastic today.
I thought we played, I thought we showed people how Wolves play. We got at Liverpool, we created chances, I think, especially in the first half. I think you've got to realise, especially second half, sorry, but I think you've got to realise first half, they come out in the pressure, it's such a tough place to go in, but we control the game second half, but decisions are killing us.
It's killing us, it's constantly against us and People are telling me to get the right decisions and whatever, we're the players on the pitch and it doesn't feel good, believe me.
Clarify for us what you feel, what the Wolves players feel was chiefly the problem with the only goal of the game in the end. It wasn't necessarily what VAR were checking.
For me, I speak to Anthony Taylor during the game. He's a great fella to speak to, he really is. He's fine to speak to, but you ask him questions, you don't really get an answer. We thought Van Dijk had unballed it as well in the lead-up to the goal. That's what we thought. And then he tells me that Van Dijk's too far away. So I can't get my head around it. Van Dijk plays the pass for the goal.
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Chapter 4: What did Sadio Mane say about his winning goal and the VAR check?
We play a certain way. We listen to our manager every single game. We listened to him in the week leading up to it. We had one day to play against the two best teams in the world. It's madness, but we showed how we wanted to play. In the second half, we really controlled it. We created chances. We could have scored a couple as well. All in all, I thought we played really well.
Liverpool have obviously built themselves a fantastic platform for 2020. What kind of platform have Wolves built for next year?
just keep improving, and we don't look at where we want to finish at the end of the year, we don't look at what we want to do, we want to keep on winning as many games as possible, we felt like we could have won today, and we felt like second half, we should have got something out of it, but the situation happened, and it was how it was, but for us now, it's looking at Watford, it's a massive game for us, in the new year, and it's something we're looking forward to now.
Appreciate your time. Thank you.
It's brilliant to get that level of insight from a man who's been out there and communicating with the referee throughout the 90 minutes there.
On the Virgil van Dijk handball, incidentally, we did hear from the VAR hub that they had looked at it in the build-up to that first goal, and where it was wasn't relevant, but they said the evidence was inconclusive, and I think you've all agreed yourselves.
Cole was excited there, and he's emotional, because they've done well coming to Anfield, on another day get something, but really, in the cold light of day, it wasn't a handball by van Dijk. When you see the angles we've got, I'm sure the referees... Even as a Liverpool man, Graham, are you happy with the offside? No, I'm going to come to that. So that was... No handball on Van Dijk.
Shoulder on Lallana, so that goal should stand. And then, under the current rules, the offside was correct. when there goes disallowed. And that's the rules. And what you have to believe as a player, it used to be bad luck, good luck, leaving yourself out over the season. Now that I'm long gone from football, it didn't.
It works out maybe over your career, but it doesn't work out evenly over a season. And that's what you have to take on the chin.
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Chapter 5: How did Chelsea come from behind to beat Arsenal?
It would be about that a lot less. It would be about a lot less.
It's easier for the referees to get right as well. But what I'm saying is, offside will always be about a line and whether you're that side or that side. And people keep talking about how small these lines are and how much is between the defender's foot or the attacker's foot. That's offside. It will always be about being one side of the line or another. And what Graham proposes will...
give us more goals, we're losing goals, but it will still be about... But it will feel morally better as well.
If you were drawing up the lines today, we'll accept the boys are quicker, they're more athletic. If you were drawing the rules of the football up today and you were saying, we're going to invent a game where it has to be attractive and exciting for the supporters, the one we're proposing... The soonest law.
Yeah, the one we're proposing would add to the excitement more than the current rule stands. I mean, I think it would be simpler for the referees to get right, certainly simpler for VAR to get right. It would shorten the process of going through back to Stockley Park and looking at it and looking at it. Far simpler for them.
There'd be a lot more goals, which the knock-on effect of a lot more goals In terms of the team that's conceding the goals, they have to go chasing the game then. Then you'd have even more goals. So right away, you're making the whole package a lot more attractive. And I think if you were to go through, I think you saw Conor Cody's frustrations boiling up.
When he sees it in the cold, he'll go, under current rules, The referee got them right.
It's not BAR, is it?
It's the rules that are the problem. So that one rule, if you change that one rule to any bit of you, any bit of you onside, the goal stands. And it would make life a lot simpler and more goals.
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Chapter 6: What tactical changes did Frank Lampard implement during the Chelsea match?
Nuno, commiserations, but what do you feel your players deserved here today?
They fight very, very hard. I think it was a very good game. First half, Liverpool was very strong. They have immense quality. They manage their players so the way they play. I think we control, but we didn't have the ball so much. Second half, much, much better. And that's what is the good part.
The reaction that we had, the way we and how we did things in the second half only makes us proud in such a short schedule and tight scales that we have. And this display of energy is amazing.
You were clearly very unhappy, weren't you, on the touchline there in the aftermath of the goal which ultimately won the game. What were your feelings about all of that?
I just apologise and I apologise to you and to everybody that's listening to me. I always have a word about the work of the referees, but today I don't feel that anything that I can say will help.
Conor Cody has just told us that the players were very upset. They thought there'd been a handball by Virgil van Dijk in the build-up to the only goal of the game. Is that your understanding of the situation? Is that your thoughts on it?
It's happening. It's happening. What everybody, I think a lot of people have mentioned. Anfield is amazing. And they were celebrating a non-goal. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. The referees should sustain their decisions. They feel, they feel. I'm talking about it. At the end you convinced me to talk about it.
Because there's a referee miles away that's taking decisions of a lot of things that are happening here. They are happening here. Who feels the game? Who is inside of the game? the flow of the game, the distance of the game, the intensity of the actions, he's the referee.
That was the fourth goal that was disallowed this weekend for a marginal offside decision. Your goal that you thought you got just before half-time. Do you feel as a manager that VAR is being used in the right way? I don't want to talk about it. I just mentioned to you.
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Chapter 7: What insights did Jurgen Klopp provide regarding Liverpool's performance?
I think that...
I think a draw would have probably been the fair result, how it felt and the game. But if you actually look at the correct decisions of the letter of the law, then the first goal has to stand. It was inconclusive, they've said, whether Virgil van Dijk handballed it in the build-up to the pass. Everything else, there was definitely nothing wrong with, in my opinion.
and the ball had already hit the back of the net before the whistle was blown. From Wolves' point of view, it feels so, so harsh because it was such a marginal decision, which, you know, it is inches, but by the letter of the law and everything else, then it has to stand. And then in the second half, Wolves reacted. They played really, really well.
And, again, so many top sides, you know, obviously against Tottenham, they played brilliantly, became a way of nothing. Excellent against Manchester City. And here, again, they're taking the top sides. Even though they're making four changes, you see a real identity of what they're doing.
players coming into the side haven't played that much thought young max kiln was excellent but end of the day they didn't have that final bit of composure when they got into good areas and that's what cost them as we saw in the last 10 minutes of the game here here matt this afternoon were you impressed jamie with how wolves actually handled this given they had less than 48 hours recovery time given that they've rested players today
Yeah, certainly second half, to come on as strong as they did, really. It was interesting in the game because Wolves had made four changes and made two substitutions early in the second half. I was wondering who the effects of the festive period would affect more. Liverpool played virtually the same team and did make the substitutions maybe a bit later than Wolves.
But it seemed to certainly affect Liverpool a lot more. having so many games so close together really. And Liverpool were in some ways hanging on towards the end. They just never made enough of those situations in and around the box to really work the goal.
I can't think of a big chance Wolves should have scored, or a sitter really, but they just never made enough crossing situations and shots from the edge of the box.
Nine shots in the second half Wolves had to Liverpool's two. Have you seen enough evidence that they are here to stay, this Wolves side?
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Chapter 8: What are the implications of VAR on the game according to the guests?
13 clear now at the top. Incidentally, City have just gone one up through Sergio Aguero. But let's get Jurgen Klopp's reaction to another victory here with Greg Whelan.
Jurgen, well, as you wish, your year has ended with a win. What did you think about the performance we secured in the end?
Yeah, it was a tough game, I expected that to be honest, and if there's a team who is not at all fussed about the situation playing in 44 hours, two games, then it's probably Wolves. Nuno has a sensational bunch of players there, he does make a lot of changes, they play Thursday, Sunday, Thursday, Sunday, through the whole season, so they're used to a tough rhythm, so that was clear.
In the first half a lot of moments we controlled the game really well, scored the goal, which looked a bit exciting because of the VR thing, but for me in the first moment it was no handball. We were already with an armpit offside this year, and yesterday I think Pukki was with his shoulder offside, so for me it was a clear shoulder from Adam.
But it took a while, you can imagine it's not too cool for Wolves of course, and the next goal I didn't see that there was anybody in an offside position. We were surprised by ourselves, but when the guy who crossed the ball in the centre is offside, or whoever it was, then we are there for him. It took a while again, but in the end it gave them...
a bit of momentum, they were now really on their toes, really on fire. We had this little moment when we scored a goal, kind of relief, and got directly the punishment. It was the only situation, we were not really there for second balls, then Adam came in, made a tackle, foul, yellow card and free kick. That's how all the situations started with the goal and all those things.
So, it was difficult. We came out of the second half, we started, They pressed a bit higher and we were not fresh enough in mind to adapt to that, so now we brought ourselves in circumstances we don't have to be. These are moments where we have to be harder to ourselves and have to force ourselves more to stay concentrated.
There were a few slapstick situations, I would say, but when Ali was there, yeah, it was a big fight. They chased the game, they wanted the result, and we wanted to keep the result and try to have something of it. That's how the momentum was then, it was on their side.
Always when we could control it, it was immediately cool again, but the first moment they had the ball, counter-attack, Traoré looks mean in the moment, nearly unplayable, You need two players to play against him, but we did well, so I'm happy. Look, if it would be easy to win that amount of games, then a lot more teams would do it, it's not easy.
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