Chapter 1: What is the shocking discovery in Grosse Pointe Park?
This week in Grosse Pointe Park, Michigan, the horrible discovery of a brutally murdered woman in her car looks like it might have been common street crime until detectives discover her seemingly upstanding husband's affairs and secret life as a BDSM dungeon master. Welcome to Small Town Murder. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Small Town Murder. Yay! Yay, indeed, Jimmy. Yay, indeed.
My name is James Petrigallo. I'm here with my co-host. I'm Jimmy Wissman. Thank you, folks, so much for joining us today on another wild, crazy, absolutely insane edition of Small Town Murder. You have chosen correctly if this is your first episode. Buckle up. It's going to be a wild, weird one. So enjoy, everybody. Let's just say that. Before we get to all of that...
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Chapter 2: What background information is provided about the victim and her husband?
45 minutes to Washington Township, Michigan. Our last Michigan episode, episode 657, Comedy of Horrors. That is the one where the guy was having the affair with the German au pair, the 19-year-old, and she came over and testified against him. Some horribly embarrassing shit. It was a wild episode. Don't do that. This is in Wayne County, just like Detroit. Area code 313.
Now, a little bit of history of this town. Before it was a city, it was incorporated as the village of Fairview.
Yeah.
Which I guess was a chunk of Grosse Pointe Township, which is another area here. It's from 1850 to 1900. They knocked down all these woods and all that kind of thing. And basically Detroit businessmen bought up all the waterfront. That's how it worked.
Yeah.
Yeah, so for a while, Grosse Pointe was Detroit's summer resort, basically. So they had giant houses and... Summer resort. Yeah, it became like the Hamptons, basically, for Detroit people. Reviews of this town. Okay, here's five stars. Best city to raise a family. Exclamation point. Real excited about it. Excellent public schools. Two waterfront parks. Pools, splash pad, private movie theaters.
Private movie theaters? Private? Private. What does that mean? I don't know what that is. I don't know how you get them private. Yeah, then how do you go there, person who's reviewing, current resident on niche? Why are you advertising it? Shut the fuck up. Yeah, it's private, damn it. I can't go there. Beautiful homes that residents take pride in keeping up. Public service is second to none. Oh.
She just described everything's perfect. Three stars. It's a nice place to raise a family, but lacking in things to do. better than the other gross point communities in terms of diversity, but still has the same bourgeois feel and pressure. Yeah, upper middle class, rich people bullshit. Here is three stars. This is fun. Very short. The weather is okay. Pretty average.
Okay, but what about the play? Nope, the weather's okay. And if there's one thing you'd say for Detroit, it's that the weather sucks. Even if you loved everything about it, you'd be like, it's cold as fuck in the winter. It's hot as shit in the summer. The weather's tough here. You know, that's what's tough with this person. You've got to be a hardy sumbitch to survive Detroit.
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Chapter 3: What details are shared about the community and its history?
$2,000 price cut last week, too. Oh, two grand, huh? Next up, five-bedroom, five-bath, T-Bowl for each and every b-hole, 4,203 square feet. It's a big white house with the black shutters and the pillars in the front. And it's a nice house. You can see by the neighbors like there's a nice house next door. They have a big driveway. It's a pretty darn pretty damn nice place here.
Nine hundred forty eight thousand bucks for that. A little pricey. And then finally, another five-bedroom, five-bath. Your b-holes are covered today, everybody. 4,630 square feet. This is on a half-acre lot. It's like a brick house. It's a different style house than the other one. It's not bad. Built in 1978. Inside, very nice.
Looks like it's been... I like the way they have this long kind of arcing staircase. It's pretty cool. It's a nice house. $1,300,000 for that, though. 15 minutes from Detroit. You're doing all right. It's not bad. You're going to pay for it, though. Things to do in this town. Okay. Here we go. I mean, you can go to Detroit. It's right there. That's something to do.
Plenty of sports and that sort of thing. Or stick around and go to the Breakaway Music Festival. Oh, boy. And see a bunch of people I have never heard of.
How could they?
It's right next to Detroit. I don't know. This is one of those things where I look at this list and go, okay, I know I'm old now. And I don't know every new artist that's coming out the first minute they're out. You know what I mean? It takes a while for me to catch up to shit because I'm busy and not looking for that. But I've never heard of any of these people.
So I feel like it's either I'm older than I thought or these are a bunch of people that no one's heard of. I don't know. I'm going to run them down by you and you tell me if you've heard of any of them. Everyone out there listening, here's two 40-something-year-old men trying to decipher whether these are popular new artists that we've just never heard of or nobody's. This is fun for everybody.
Okay. Cannabliss. Nope. Nope. It's a chick. I saw the picture. Daniel Allen. Nope. I bet he has a guitar, though.
I guarantee he plays country of some sort.
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Chapter 4: What childhood experiences influenced Bob's BDSM interests?
As a kid, he was doing this, tying people up, doing shit. I don't know what was going on. But then he said he pushed it down for a long time. And then sometime in his mid-40s, started getting the rumbling. Started dominating him. Yeah, started getting a little hungry. So he said that the reason was he hadn't even thought about it in years, obviously. He forgot.
Forgot all about what makes his dick hard. Oh, yeah.
That's what makes this thing hard.
As people do.
Nobody forgets anything that's ever made their dick hard, even once, by the way. Not once. No. I remember people from, women from sitcoms in the 80s, when I was like nine years old, that I was like, whoa. I still remember that moment of going, yeah, look at that. So you remember everything that gets your dick hard. Yeah. He's lying there.
But he said in his mid-40s, when he's on the internet, he saw pop-up ads for kinky dating websites online.
Where the hell did you get that in your algorithm?
He's going to say, where are these pop-up bags? He's on ESPN.com doing his fantasy football league and these just pop up? I don't think so.
Those are targeted, sir. And you get them because of your searches.
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Chapter 5: How did Bob's online dating lead to his BDSM lifestyle?
Yeah. That's a sight, by the way. I don't know if it is now, but it was in 2004. It's probably huge now. Jesus Christ, are you kidding me? They probably sold IPO last year to that shit. Yeah, that does not sound like it's not lucrative. It's got going away. I don't know if it's – yeah, who knows if it's lucrative, but it's definitely popular. Put it that way. Oh, for sure.
Yeah. It's like that tentacle one. I forget the name of that one, but if I ever heard it, I'd be like, yeah, that's the one.
Yeah, that's that. So he put an ad up apparently. and he basically said that he was skilled in this lovely life.
Oh, so Callum, he's like Craigslist for BDSM.
People hook up that way, apparently. Or at least they did then. So he's telling people that. Meanwhile, he's also saying that he didn't get into this again until his 40s. So he's either lying, saying that he wasn't into it for 30 years and then just rekindled it, or he's lying to the people on the website saying he's skilled and knows what he's doing. One or the other.
But his ad goes on to say, quote, I will open, train, and guide you in this lifestyle. Kneel and have all your desires and cravings open to you. Are you ready for Master Bob?
Oh, boy.
He'll just be Master Bobbing in the corner. Don't worry about it. It's not a big deal.
Open you.
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Chapter 6: What plans did Bob have for his relationships and living situation?
Yes, actually, I'll have more fries for me. Thank you. So anyway, back to what we were doing. That's insane. This is in Southgate, which is 20 miles south of Detroit. They said, quote, this is from a book that I'll give the plug to later on. There's a couple of them. The woman he met said he was looking for someone to be his submissive. I needed food and shoes for my children. Oh, my God.
So she wasn't even into this. She was just looking for a way to make money.
I hate that so much.
Yeah, that is disturbing that a woman has to go to these lengths.
I needed the basics of life, and he wants to dance.
For my children, so I'm going to completely debase myself and do something I don't even want to do. If she wanted to do it, great, but she doesn't want to. She just wants to feed her kids. That's tough. He dove into it, though. He went to events, these big swinger events. This is a whole underground thing.
Oh, it's a whole life, James.
It's huge, and I don't know a fucking thing about it. I just don't. I don't know what it is. I'm glad that I'm out of that. Were you in it for 20 years? No, no, no. You said, I'm out of that. I'm glad I got out of that finally.
I'm glad I never participated in that.
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Chapter 7: What happens when the police discover the body in the car?
He gets the call back, but the problem is that when he goes back, he's not able to tow the car because the cop looked through the window and saw what looked like a woman's dead body in the car. There's a body in it. There's a body in here, which isn't good. So the cop calls the Detroit Homicide Police Section here, obviously, so they get a homicide investigator to come check this out.
They get a veteran guy who comes on down and, yeah, he does – they said he does tons of cases. He's done shitloads of hundreds of cases. He's been involved in homicide cases. Now another homicide cop joins him. So they have a couple of veteran people. Yeah. They show up. They find that the body in there, it's a woman. She's fully clothed, wearing slippers, house slippers.
This is important because in 2012, a respectable woman in her 50s ain't wearing slippers out of the house. Now every fucking – every 18-year-old wears – doesn't have – doesn't know how to tie a fucking shoe. So I assume they don't because they never wear shoes with laces on them. I'm sure they know.
I picked on my daughter from volleyball last night. I got a coffee and I was at the coffee shop surrounded by children. Every one of them was in slip-ons, slippers or fucking Crocs. There was not a lace out there.
No, they don't know. I just think people gave up on teaching their kids how to tie shoes, so they just take these and slip them on.
Anything's too possible, yeah.
I'm not sure, but that's an age thing. I don't know. So, again, that's like the bands in the beginning. They were on bicycles, James. Okay, no, you can't wear slippers on a bicycle.
You can't wear Crocs on a bike.
No, that's stupid. That's stupid. So that's what that's what she is. They're like, OK, she's wearing slippers. They think that the body's kind of posed in the driver's seat. Basically, her windpipe, we'll find out, is crushed. There's bruises all over her upper body and she has fingernails broken off like she's been in a struggle. Yeah.
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Chapter 8: What evidence points to Bob as a suspect in Jane's murder?
Yeah, they're like... A woman like her doesn't go shopping in slippers. She'll put something else on for that. You know, she doesn't drive to meetings in slippers. None of that shit at all here. So they said... And they're trying to figure out how did this happen because she was on the phone with her daughter. They know that.
So they're like, did she go in the car, change into her slippers and then come back outside for something? Or why would she do that? Or did she have slippers on to begin with? They check all the whole car, too, by the way. Her checkbook is in the car.
Oh, shit.
Her purse is in there.
Oh, no.
Full of credit cards, debit cards, all the trappings of, you know, upper middle class life.
Somebody's neck.
Yeah. So they're like, okay. Because at first they're like, maybe this is carjackers.
Right.
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