Menu
Sign In Search Podcasts Libraries Charts People & Topics Add Podcast API Blog Pricing
Podcast Image

Snap Judgment

Silence Speaks

21 May 2026

Transcription

Chapter 1: What is the significance of silence in expression?

2.95 - 42.769 Glenn Washington

You know, no one will be shocked to learn that I love fantasy. I love how modern fantasy reimagines history, like George R.R. Martin's Game of Thrones. It was loosely, very loosely modeled on the English War of the Roses, which was cool. And the one thing that carried over from the history to the fantasy is the part of the fool. The gesture, the clown, the joker.

0

43.07 - 53.464 Glenn Washington

In Game of Thrones, the closest we get to this ancient role is Tyrion Lannister. No, officially, he's no jester. He's a lord. A Lannister.

0

Chapter 2: How did Gregory use mime as a form of protest?

54.365 - 80.894 Glenn Washington

Hand of the king, but look at him. Drunk. The one everyone underestimates. The only one with the freedom to say the quiet part out loud. He'll only get a goblet of wine in the face for his trouble. The only one licensed to tell the truth. Because if anyone else says to the king, your war is failing... The peasants can't afford eggs. Your queen is sleeping with the bodyguard.

0

81.655 - 111.43 Glenn Washington

Well, then it's off with your head. Kill the messenger. The one person who can say what's actually happening has to be the Joker. Because he's just playing, right? Just having fun. He can say whatever he wants until he can't. then it's off with his head too. And today on Snap Judgment, bad news because our joker stumbles across the line and he does it without saying one word.

0

119.762 - 126.872 Glenn Washington

Snap Judgment proudly presents Silence Speaks. My name is Glenn Washington. Silence is a virtue, but I don't have.

0

Chapter 3: What was Gregory's first performance experience like?

128.855 - 150.103 Glenn Washington

When you're listening, a snap judgment now this should not be but a lot of people in the u.s are familiar with this story right black van with black windows coming from the street area

0

150.522 - 156.408 Grigory Gurevich

into courtyard. They take this person from building.

0

157.549 - 164.516 Glenn Washington

That's Gregory telling Snap producer John Fasile about how authorities dragged his neighbor away in the middle of the night.

0

165.777 - 171.603 Grigory Gurevich

They brought him into his van, their van, and they disappeared. That's it. Was it a man?

0

172.043 - 174.325 John Fasile

Man, yes, man. Was he screaming?

174.385 - 193.776 Grigory Gurevich

Was he... No, no, silent. No. Silent. Never can forget that. That was 1951 about. 1951, 1952. That was Stalin. Stalin.

196.017 - 207.099 John Fasile

Since he left the Soviet Union five decades ago, Gregory Gurievich has lived in the same little apartment in Jersey City, just across the river from NYC. Is this all your artwork?

Chapter 4: How did Marcel Marceau influence Gregory's mime career?

208.061 - 226.793 John Fasile

Yes. Except this one. What's this one? The walls are just completely covered in paintings. There's mounted sculptures. And these masks are yours too? Yes. Wow, the feathers. He brought me upstairs, equally decked out. And in this little closet, there was a suitcase.

0

227.114 - 230.277 Grigory Gurevich

Yeah, I came with this briefcase from Soviet Union.

0

230.758 - 232.82 John Fasile

Can we look? I can take it out for you.

0

233.782 - 239.308 Grigory Gurevich

Wow, you're a brave person.

0

239.328 - 240.79 John Fasile

It was full of documents.

241.225 - 243.729 Grigory Gurevich

Door certificate, all this stuff.

243.749 - 244.37 John Fasile

Photographs.

244.63 - 248.216 Grigory Gurevich

This is my childhood. Siberia. Childhood.

Chapter 5: What challenges did Gregory face during the Soviet era?

248.236 - 259.473 John Fasile

Childhood in Siberia. Yes, exactly. And buried in the pile, Gregory pulls out a glossy black and white photo of a young man wearing white clown makeup.

0

260.014 - 262.378 Grigory Gurevich

That's me.

0

262.398 - 280.676 John Fasile

I gotta take a picture of this. Gregory was, is a mime. And here in America, mimes are kind of a joke, right? Like, maybe you're picturing, you know, someone standing on a street corner, pulling an invisible rope, trapped behind an invisible wall, performing for tips.

0

281.737 - 295.752 John Fasile

But in the Soviet Union in the 1960s, when talk was perilous and everyone was listening... In Russia, you say, between three of us, one can be a betrayer. Mime was a way to speak up without saying a word.

0

296.172 - 312.66 Grigory Gurevich

So mimes criticized government by using silent performance. So it was only a form of criticism which was permitted because it was no proof that they did it because they were silent.

314.547 - 316.873 John Fasile

So your first performance, how big was the crowd?

317.154 - 331.51 Grigory Gurevich

So it was about 20, no, not about 20, about 50 people, sick people, people who are attached to the bed, but they can maybe stand up and can walk, can wash themselves, can go to bathroom possibly.

333.937 - 344.587 John Fasile

Gregory gave his first mime performance somewhere around 1962 when he was in his early 20s for patients at a hospital in Leningrad. And how did they react to your performance?

346.008 - 352.574 Grigory Gurevich

It was fantastic. Audience received me so well. It's just unbelievable. It gave me energy.

Chapter 6: How did Gregory's work evolve after leaving the Soviet Union?

352.674 - 354.336 Grigory Gurevich

It gave me energy to continue.

0

355.777 - 362.543 John Fasile

Gregory had rehearsed obsessively in his mother's apartment by the Neva River. He had about 20 minutes worth of material.

0

362.692 - 375.31 Grigory Gurevich

how to pick up flour, how to go against the wind, against the wind movement. When I performed in a hospital, that was really imitation of Marcel Marceau. Pure imitation.

0

378.174 - 390.572 John Fasile

The year before, Gregory had gone to see Marcel Marceau, the famous French mime, at the Leningrad Palace of Culture. Did you know that it would be a totally silent performance?

0

391.008 - 395.235 Grigory Gurevich

I had no idea. I didn't know it would change my life.

399.843 - 411.042 John Fasile

And in the packed theater, in the dark, he'd watched Marcel Marceau, white face paint, black pants, striped shirt, mime picking up a flower in a way that he'd later copy.

411.41 - 426.752 Grigory Gurevich

He sees a flower and the way he is bending his body and how he smells the flower. All his gestures were stylized. It was not regular gestures like in real life. It was like a magic, complete magic.

430.698 - 451.028 John Fasile

But Marceau was also known for stories, short plays of pantomimes he called memo dramas. They could be deeply philosophical, like the one where he plays a man trapped inside a cage who manages to wriggle out only to find himself trapped inside a smaller cage, and so on and so on until he dies.

451.89 - 456.216 Grigory Gurevich

With your body, you express condition of human being.

Chapter 7: What themes are explored in the story of 'Man in the Sea'?

462.125 - 470.61 Grigory Gurevich

Of course, very much so. It evoked my inner feeling towards the system where I was in.

0

473.105 - 494.488 John Fasile

Gregory's Jewish, and Jewish people in the Soviet Union faced a lot of discrimination. It was difficult for him to get a job. He had a special mark on his passport. So he understood that while the state promised equality, I felt on my skin and my body resistance. oppression and secrecy were its currency.

0

496.021 - 521.134 Grigory Gurevich

People were ready to change in the Soviet Union. They were ready to change in the system because the system stuck. All this idea of communism, of socialism, people didn't believe it any longer. In my heart, I wanted to help people. I wanted to, if somebody is tied with ropes, I want to untie those ropes.

0

521.154 - 534.634 John Fasile

Oh, that's Marcel Marceau on the beach. Back in his apartment, Gregory shows me some photos of him and Marcel Marceau by the Caspian Sea. You look so young and handsome in this, Gregory.

0

537.095 - 560.233 John Fasile

After his hospital performance, Gregory put together a small troupe of mimes from Leningrad, who he trained and choreographed himself, and they joined a traveling theater that performed on stages and in farmer's fields across the southern Soviet republics, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, and Azerbaijan, where they happened to play the same city as Marcel Marceau.

560.213 - 576.737 Grigory Gurevich

And we went to his hotel where he stayed. And I told the receptionist that we are mimes. And he came downstairs and he was so happy because he felt very lonely over there. No one to talk to and so on.

Chapter 8: How does the episode conclude with Gregory's reflections on art?

580.943 - 586.812 John Fasile

And that's you two together in the surf. Yes. Lounging. What were you guys talking about?

0

587.753 - 590.996 Grigory Gurevich

All about pantomime. All about pantomime.

0

593.698 - 609.073 John Fasile

By this point, Gregory had started to perform original material. Stuff he wrote himself, provocative, political. And Marcel Marceau liked his work so much that he encouraged Gregory to audition for the theater of Arkady Rykin, a famous Soviet comedian.

0

609.093 - 617.22 Grigory Gurevich

1,200 people minimum in audience. The biggest theaters in Soviet Union in different cities.

0

617.302 - 639.411 John Fasile

Reichen was known for his imitations of bumbling bureaucrats and other Soviet characters. He was subversive, but entertaining. Subtle, but pointed. And he wanted to add a mime troupe to his show that also pushed buttons. Slyly.

644.318 - 648.722 Grigory Gurevich

I was very nervous. I was very nervous.

650.223 - 661.814 John Fasile

The audition happened on a bare stage, with a big-time comedian and two others in the audience. Gregory had decided that his group would perform a piece he'd written called Man in the Sea.

664.877 - 671.423 Grigory Gurevich

A group of pearl hunters are already under the water, hunting for the pearls.

672.432 - 698.322 John Fasile

Man in the Sea starts with three mimes, all wearing black leotards. And they're moving in slow motion, like they're underwater, stooping here and there to pick up pearls from the sea floor. And at the center of the stage, a woman in a blue dress lies flat, arms and legs slightly raised, and she's waving them, undulating like she's part of the ocean current.

Comments

There are no comments yet.

Please log in to write the first comment.