Chapter 1: What content warnings should listeners be aware of?
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Something Was Wrong is intended for mature audiences and discusses topics that may be upsetting. Please consume the following episodes with care. This season discusses sexual, physical and psychological violence. For a full content warning, sources and resources for each episode, please visit the episode notes.
Opinions shared by guests of the show are their own and do not necessarily represent the views of Broken Cycle Media. The podcast and any linked materials should not be misconstrued as a substitution for legal or medical advice. We reached out to Professor Cato Buss and the University of Central Oklahoma for comment in response to allegations in the weeks prior to this episode's release.
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Previously on Something Was Wrong. I went to University of Central Oklahoma. I decided to study theater my second semester of school. Cato was the first person in the department that I met at all. When I met him, it was at the end of my first semester of freshman year. I think he had a really good opportunity to paint himself in whatever light he wanted.
He was seen as the coolest professor and the one with the most intense training.
He was very paternal to me in a lot of ways. Whenever we first met, it felt like he was a very strong mentor in my life. I remember getting a text from Cato. He had said something along the lines of, you know, I hope this is okay. I really want us to be close and to work with you while you're here. And I didn't really clock that that was weird when it happened.
When Miranda and I were in Scotland, there was a play and we were the only two that he took to go see it. There was another student that wanted to join us and he was adamant that she didn't.
After Scotland, we started to text all of the time. That's also when we would start to meet more frequently at school as well.
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Chapter 2: How did the relationship with Professor Cato begin?
That's a trend that I noticed in my time with Kato. There's a love bombing period and then like a distance neglectful period. After I told him I'm coming to UCO, it was nothing until that next semester when I actually started at UCO. I didn't talk to him like that whole summer. And then I would have seen him again in 2016, like fall semester.
What made you choose ultimately to attend there?
It was Kato. It was that I felt I had this special relationship with one of the theater professors there. I had auditioned and gotten into a few schools and been offered scholarships by those schools. But how can I pick a different school when I know... who I'm going to be working with and I really get along with him and he thinks I'm so special.
Another reason that I was excited to pick UCO is that I knew Morgan was there and we had been really close throughout high school. She, at the time, seemed to really enjoy UCO. She was in a Cato-directed play when I was deciding if I should go or not. I think I remember her saying that she was having fun, that she liked it. I didn't interact with him much my first semester.
I auditioned for him a few times. I did tech on one of his plays. I think it was the first play that Miranda was in with him. He was kind of still just like pretending I did not exist during this period. We would have brief interactions and then nothing for months. But yeah, I did not have a class with him. my freshman year.
Did you ever study Meisner technique with him? Yes. Would you mind sharing with me what that experience was like for you?
Disgusting. It's why I feel like I will never be able to act again or find joy in acting.
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Chapter 3: What signs of grooming behavior did the guests notice?
I think that's another really big reason that he was able to get his claws in so deep. Maybe Meisner can be an effective acting method, but he used it as a tool to get you to experience deep and intense emotion and then control when those emotions happen. It was, looking back on it now, like actually nightmarish in the moment. I just remember thinking, oh my God, I'm a real actor.
This is so special. How great of a teacher is he that I can feel all of this? I was at a high school event and he had these two high school students doing Meisner repetitions until they sobbed. And he's not their teacher. He doesn't know these students. He has met them briefly for a moment and is now engaging in what I believe to be incredibly an unsafe acting instruction.
It was just another tool of abuse that he loved to use.
What kind of access did his position give him to students in the department?
Oh, the most. I mean, he was the head theater person. If you needed advisement, if you needed anything involving the theater department, Essentially, you had to go to Cato. He got to choose who the scholarships went to. He got to control what classes you took and what order if you wanted to. He got to decide who went on the Europe trips. He got to determine who went on away trips.
I think he was the head of the improv group as well. In my mind, my experience was ultimate control over the UCO theater department and essentially was not being held accountable to anyone.
Did you ever witness him treating male students versus female students differently?
I have no significant memories of him having any meaningful interactions with male students. He really focused in on the young girls that he was educating and abusing. The only thing that really comes to mind is just how he was cruel across the board. We were in his office and a student came in needing advice from him or wanting to meet him or something.
And the student was really excited to meet him. And the student leaves and I remember Kato mocking him, making fun of him for being excited to meet Kato. I just remember thinking, that's so cruel. Why are you doing this?
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Chapter 4: How did Kato manipulate his students emotionally?
They were together and now they're not. And everything is fine. And there are a couple of adults and she's going to graduate. My junior year, he was directing what's called a main stage show, which is the biggest show of the year because it's in the university's main theater. It was Sarah Rule's Eurydice, which is the retelling of the Greek tragedy of Eurydice.
And he cast me to be the lead, Eurydice. And Olivia was cast in the show as well.
This moment in particular is what I really think of when I think of him pitting us against one another and making us compete against one another because he alluded to her that she was going to be cast as a lead and that I was going to be cast as a lead and made us compete a bunch in the audition process, which was really shitty. And she got cast in the show, but not as a lead.
She was a supporting character. Eurydice would have rehearsed for, I think, three-ish months from August to, it probably opened in October or November. It's when I had really developed feelings for him. He would call me into his office almost every day before rehearsal.
And I would spend 30 minutes to an hour with him deep diving into the show or talking about life or just sitting while he worked. And I would read. I would stay late after rehearsal as well. I had just started working a new job, part-time job. trying to pay for my apartment and school. I would go to an 8 a.m.
class and leave class at noon and go drive to my job and work from 1 to 4 every day during the week. I was meeting him before rehearsal, so going to his office at school at 5 in rehearsal Monday through Thursday from 6 p.m. to 10 p.m. and leaving the campus around 11 every night for multiple months. I was exhausted by this whole process.
And it's at this time I confessed to him that I had feelings for him in his office. We had been rehearsing for maybe two to three weeks, if that. I was so anxious to tell him that I had feelings for him. And I can't even really remember what I said, but I think I'd said something like, I have feelings towards you. He immediately was like, I like you too. Are you positive you want to do this?
I was like, yes, I really like you. This is so different than anything else. We're meant to be together and I feel really cosmically about this and we're really aligned. He, of course, reciprocated because that made him feel better about himself and made him feel like he was not inherently abusing me, which he was.
After that, we communicated even more, and the hours before and after rehearsal looked very different after my confession of feelings towards him. It was pretty soon after that that he would eventually force me to receive oral sex and was really adamant that we have penetrative sex and I was really against it. I think it was just like a back of mind thing.
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Chapter 5: What experiences did guests share about their interactions with Kato?
This is just the circumstance. It has to be secret. No one can know about it because... He's my professor, but that's just a small thing. It's not a big deal for us. Olivia, for example, I would see her all the time because she was in the play with us, but I'd stopped hanging out with her as much.
I remember having her over for the first time in forever and feeling really guilty and weird about it because it had been a long time since I had hung out with her.
My relationship with her changed in a lot of ways because when we had started to be sexual with one another, he then started to push me away from her by talking really poorly about her to me in ways that I regrettably at the time kind of believed. Telling me that she didn't really get us because he and I come from a sad childhood and she had a supportive family.
He tried really hard to push me away from her once we had started our relationship because she then became a threat. He needed her to help me get close to him. And then the moment that we started being together, he flipped the script on her completely and was a total asshole to her, which is just very confusing.
And I remember her being incredibly confused because I had started to grow distant and so had he. Here's Olivia.
Around that time, it was always the three of us. When we would travel for school things, he would find ways to get the two of us to like go do things, go see shows or hang out with him. Those lines were always kind of blurry and started to feel like we were friends and the relationship felt very like open in that way. And then we did a play together. There were two main roles.
Based on things that he had said, the impression that we had been given, and things that he confirmed to me directly when he was drinking, because he loved to drink with his students, that it was going to be us that got those two parts. Come auditions, we're both called back for the same part. She gets the part. And immediately, it was like we were isolated from each other.
I never noticed it in Miranda's behavior towards me. It was always very much like her time was taken up by Kato. She's just really working hard on this play. But he turned on me again, which he would do frequently, but it was different this time. He was very cold and had like no interest in the rapport that we had built.
That's whenever I noticed Miranda coming to rehearsal really late every day with him. They would show up right before start time and they were always together. And I asked her because I honestly was just confused as to what was going on. And she told me that she'd been going in for private coaching for like a couple hours before rehearsal every day.
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Chapter 6: How did Kato's behavior change over time?
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Hi, my name is Morgan and my story starts in August of 2014. That is when I enrolled at the University of Central Oklahoma as a freshman and I was a theater education major. I always knew that I wanted to be a teacher, but I never really knew what I wanted to teach or how I was actually going to get there. My experience in high school was very poor, for lack of a better word.
I had a very rough time in high school. Honestly, I barely graduated. But one of the things that allowed me to get my diploma was that I was a part of theater and speech and debate. And that genuinely saved my life. It was my senior year of high school that I knew if I get out of this place, I want to teach theater and speech and debate.
And so I enrolled at UCL because that was the only program in the state that offered a theater education degree. I was really looking forward to college as being a fresh start for me. This was the first time that I was on my own and I really could make my own decisions and I was ready to have a new start. I first met Cato probably the second day that I was at UCO.
I was enrolled in his Foundations of Theater class. He told me later that that class was one of his projects that he brought to the university because it was a class where all theater majors, whether you were performance, theater ed, or design tech, if you were new to the program, you had to take this class with him to get to know everybody and to get introduced to the program.
So when I first walked in that class, I could definitely tell that Kato was not like any other teacher that I had before. He was very lively, very energetic, personable, really wanted to like make us comfortable, get us to know each other and to know him. And he was very captivating as a teacher.
I remember at that first foundations class, Cato brought in a few upperclassmen that were part of the department for a while. He brought Lindsay and a few other students to just tell us a little bit about the program and how excited they were that we were this new class coming in. I really thought that this department seemed really supportive of each other and was very, very close.
I remember being really excited to be a part of his classes, and I was very excited to find out that he was directing one of the main stage shows that year.
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Chapter 7: What impact did Kato have on the guests' mental health?
But at the time, I'm new to college and I'm like, I suck at checking my email too. But that'd be another sign that I would say definitely the element of control For five, six semesters at UCO, Cato was begging me to change my major from theater education to performance. He wanted me to take more of his classes. He wanted me to be an actor.
He said if I wanted to teach, I could teach without that degree and I could go back and do that later. That if I took his classes and spent more time and coached with him, that I could be an actress and be really good at that. And despite the fact that I told him multiple times I did not want to be an actress, that never mattered to him.
He just wanted me to have to report to him because he was head of performance for a lot of that time. He wanted me to have to answer to him more. And as a theater ed major, I really didn't have to. I think also the mood swings and the hot and cold, that kind of game that he would play with all of us. There were times where he was overly nice to me.
I remember I took theater history with him and I was a very good student in college. I almost got all A's. I was very diligent. I attended class, but something got mixed up on my calendar and I did not show up to the theater history final. And I realized it and I freaked out and I'm crying to him about it. He was so nice and overly understanding to me about it.
He let me take the final whenever I wanted to that week, and he gave me an easier version of the final, and he knew that I was so grateful to him for that.
if there were times where i wasn't acting the way that he wanted he would bring that up and talk about the same person who i did this for is now doing this so finding or utilizing opportunities to have something over you probably another red flag
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Chapter 8: What are the lessons learned from these experiences?
But everyone in the department suspected, pretty much knew... It was very obvious to me from that first semester, in that first production, that Kato and Lindsay were very, very close. That she was his muse, that he loved her, that she was his favorite, and that she loved him too.
Occasionally someone might have like a side eye or raise their eyebrows at interactions between them, but no one ever said anything. And towards the end of her time at UCO, I think we also saw that relationship blow up because by the end, he was mean to her in class. They were not talking. They were not close. Every time they were in a room together, the air got thicker. It was very tense.
As my time went on, in the department. After that first trip, I definitely distanced myself a little bit. I had a buffer because I was a theater education major. I wasn't a performance major, so I didn't have to take a lot of his classes. I wasn't required to audition for the productions like performance majors were, so I opted not to audition in fall of 2015. But
Our relationship was still good. There were times where he would recommend me for opportunities. Like I did a short film because he called me into his office and he was like, I think you should do this. And so I did. But I definitely took a little bit of a step back. After my first year, Cato was making sure I had scholarship money.
I had a good enough relationship with him and rapport that I was always getting some tuition waivers from him. But I was never in another Cato production. And that was on purpose. I also started to notice that things weren't all upright when Cato was very persistent that I go on this trip with him.
He does this study abroad tour every year in Scotland in around July or August, and he really wanted me to go on it. There were lots of reasons why I couldn't go. I kept telling him that it wasn't gonna happen, that I couldn't afford it was the excuse I kept using. And at one point he even offered to take out a loan to pay for me to go, which at the time I was like, wow, that's a big deal.
Now I look back and I'm like, that's fucking crazy. Why would you care so much about getting these young girls to go on this trip? It made no sense to me. Not trying to be disparaging to myself, but I was not that talented as an actress. I was not that essential for any show that they were doing. There was no good reason for him to really want me to go on that trip.
So there are more red flags there. Throughout my time in the department, I started to pick up on the pattern, too. Each year, I would see the new freshmen coming in, and I would see how he would treat them just like how he would treat me. I just started to get more of an unsettled vibe about all of it.
And then I went on another trip with them because I was selected as an Irene Ryan partner, which was like an acting competition thing. And so I went on the trip in 2016 with them. I kept a little bit more of a low profile. But at one point I was sitting with Lindsay and some of those other people watching a production and they kind of nudged me and they're like, Kato's going to get us.
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