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Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
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We have a big trade from the St. Louis Blues and the Buffalo Sabres that isn't even officially a trade. It's one of the most bizarre situations that I can remember. We'll get into it in a minute. But I just do want to mention, if you're listening today, Friday morning, hopefully. The game notes trade special extravaganza one to three Eastern today. Hopefully you guys tune into that.
Hopefully we have a bunch of action coming down to the end. As you remember last year, Grinnelly poured water on himself when Marshawn went to the Boston Bruins. I think it ended up turning into a first round pick for the bees. Probably worked out pretty good for them. And the Panthers won the Stanley cup and Brad Marshawn dominated. So that was the storyline from last year's deadline.
Will we have a major move this year? I don't know. But as of right now, guys, I saw that would be the biggest blue ball, kind of like the Parenko deal. If we don't get something major, like everybody seems like they're in play right now. If nothing ends up going down and then we get the correct Parenko cock block situation, this will be the biggest letdown deadline of all time. Yeah.
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Chapter 2: What are the key issues surrounding the NHL trade deadline?
I mean, you guys have seen like with the Tage Thompson night the other night with Vegas coming to town. That felt like it was the fucking Eastern Conference Finals. When was the last time you saw towels for the fans at a regular season game? And people were on them for that. It's like, fuck off, buddy. Fuck you. There's 26-year-olds that don't remember a playoff game in Buffalo.
So going back to Perenko and the fact that it didn't all go down, I'm shocked. And maybe it comes out today that he ends up finally saying, you know what, this is the right move for me and my family. But it's hard because he's probably got a lot of decisions to make. I'm sure he wants to talk to Steiner and Armstrong and say, hey, where exactly do you think this team is going?
And at least let me get as much information before I make this life-altering change. So a lot going on, but I definitely feel like... As we've progressed and we've seen these like CBAs where people are able to expose them in certain ways, you see these different rules added in order to change things up, to change the, I guess, essentially the game at hand.
I think that the limiting of the no move, no trade team list thing needs to fucking change. I would almost say that, and buddy, I would never want to screw over a player in a contract, but just don't even have no moves. Now, players want that. They sign a seven-year deal, a six-year deal.
They'd like to know, if I got 15 teams that want me, I'm going to pick one and then know that I'm going to be there. The point is now, though, they don't even matter. They matter in a sense that Pareko could say, no, I'm not going. But then it's like, personally, I would never want to be on a team that has traded me.
Even with what I had, the language in my contract, they're still out there like, no, we're trading you. I would have a hard time going back to that. And I don't think it's personal, right? This is all business, but... Buddy, I signed this deal with you. Excuse me. I wanted to be here. And you're not honoring anything that was in the deal. And listen, players do this in the same breath.
Like, hey, Carter Gauthier, I'm not signing with you. Trade me. Like, players have a lot more power than they did. And the GMs are kind of just saying, hey, sorry, it's business. You got a no move. But we're trying to get rid of you. And I don't... You gave the turd cutter a quick shout out there. 31 goals on the season. That's more than Celebrity right now. He needs a double barrel right now.
He deserves it. these no move clause like they're out there but it's like oh he has a no move i don't i don't really care this is also yan's army like he's going to be handing the reins over so he's able to look like the bad guy doing this i think he's essentially eating the bullet for steener and then steen as a new gm can have like a clean slate you're rebuilding this is this is on you now
But if Pareko, if he's one of those guys, he's like, Hey, listen, at the end of the day, I just, I don't want to live in Buffalo or I don't want to live in wherever said Carolina or any place like he has that right. So I think having that right, you should exercise. I did it in Florida. They wanted to, they wanted to trade me. And I said, no, I'm not, I'm not waving it. Like we can wait this out.
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Chapter 3: What are the implications of no-move clauses in trades?
Now we get that package. We got to bring it somewhere else and address that need if that's the case. And going back to St. Louis and Parenko, like... The treatment of Trouba and when he wasn't doing it, if you're a fan or an organization and that's the treatment, that's complete fucking bullshit. That should not be happening. But if you are St.
Louis and he says, no, I don't want to, he's still a very good defenseman and it's not like it's a horrible contract either. So if you end up keeping him, he doesn't go anywhere. That to me is not the end of the world. Like that is, that's a guy that's like, okay, well, he's a leader. He's got unbelievable experience, Stanley Cup playoff.
Just, just keep them, you eat it and you don't get to get the future assets that you wanted, but not the worst situation. Then maybe he sits down with Steen in the summertime. Like, they played together, right? And pick his spot, you're saying, right? If you do want to move him still. Yeah, because he could come back and say, hey, I'm open to moving. Here's my two teams. Here's my five teams.
But I don't want to go to Buffalo. Now, the trade, if it does go down, Radom, Maturka, I hope I'm saying that right, but he's ninth overall pick, 6'6", defenseman. So it's like, all right, Buffalo's almost getting a guy that they think he'll be in five years for right now or maybe four years, three years, and a first-round pick. So for St.
Louis, it's like we're getting a younger Pareko in our minds. We're getting another first-rounder. and we're getting off a guy who's aging, and even though you said his contract isn't bad biz, it's still, at this point in the Blues organization, it's like, okay, I'd rather restart with a very similar type player along with the draft pick. So, I don't know.
It's crazy, and it's just interesting that now these trades get broken like they're official, and different tweets are written where people are like, oh, what a gift for Buffalo, and they're like, There's Sabres fans like, we got Pareko. And then, like, at the bar, their buddy's like, it's not done yet. Some guy's, like, crippled in Buffalo once again. Like, what do you mean it's not done?
Elliott Freeman, I retweeted the clip, like he had to address it as well because obviously he was reporting it too, where he basically broke down this whole situation and the fact that he's an actual insider and he's got to kind of be the bad guy and all that. So difficult for really everybody at hand. And this no move, no trade, no trade list situation has really put people in a weird spot.
Now, one guy who did end up waving and the deal did go down with, I'll throw it over to you to break it down and we can go over.
it yes mackenzie wieger he goes to uh utah now all we've been hearing is utah and their aggressiveness and the fan base out there it looks exciting they got a good team but they're looking to add and mackenzie wieger man he is signed uh let me say the trade first he went to utah for olimata forward prospect jonathan castagna i hope i'm saying that correct and three 2026 second round picks
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Chapter 4: How do players and GMs navigate trade negotiations?
But what I like most about him, he can play the left or the right side on the D-core. And I remember in Florida, he was a guy who played with Ekblad, but he played his offside and he was unbelievable at it.
It's a tough thing to do as a D-man, picking up rims on your backhand in the offensive zone, getting to the middle, but he was so good at it, worked at it all the time, and got him to where he is now, signing that nice deal. I think Utah is going to be very, very happy with him, not only as a player, but as a person in the community, a guy in the locker room.
I think it's a huge home run for Utah. And for a guy who's pretty good offensively, like, he does it all. Like, he'll block shots, he'll help kill penalties. And I think also for a group like Utah, like, I know they got Kells, they got Schmaltz. I don't think it would hurt them to have a little bit more leadership in that locker room. They don't have a lot of guys with playoff experience and...
and just really that veteran presence so i feel like it's a good foundational ad and you get them for this extended period of time i don't think the cap hits too aggressive and i think they have solid goaltending and that really bolsters their back end and now i expect them to go make a move for a guy up front and to me i think that that's at least a wild card team i think that that's a team that can for the first time in a long time make playoffs
they can really make a punch and establish themselves in, in Utah after being there last year, having the great start and then fizzling off. I feel like there'll be a need there for some playoff hockey to really get the, the, the fans to hardcore interest, um, in the state of Utah. So very cool, very happy to see that he now gets to go play for a better team. And, uh,
Not, I guess, not be a, not have his services go to waste essentially. That's such a good point, Biz, of getting the fans involved with playoff hockey. Even if, you know, you hope it's more than one round, but like to get playoff hockey for a new franchise is fucking huge. Like just to get the morale around the city, get guys to want to be there and all that. And they're second rounders, boys.
They're second rounders. Like, they have a stockpile of draft picks. Yeah. Bill Armstrong has been selling off. They've been retaining all these salaries. We joked about it with Dreger about how you got, you know, they got Datsuk, Pronger, Shea Weber. I think they got, they got every fucking Hall of Famer coming up on the. Grand Fear. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. So I think it's a, it's a good move.
And once again, not crazy on the books. I like their D. Like, you got Sergeyev, say... Like, just list in the six. You got Sergeyev. Now you got Wieger there. John Marino, really underrated player. Nate Schmidt, you saw what he can do in the playoffs. You got Ian Cole. He's getting older, but he's a warrior. So it's like... You're adding a guy that just moves the puck.
And Ole Matahid, he'd only played 22 games this year. So it's like that's a big upgrade on the D side. And you're not losing anything from the roster, right? You're just adding there. And the draft picks are the draft picks, buddy. You want to get good enough with the draft picks. They've had plenty over the years. They do have some really nice prospects. So...
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Chapter 5: What breaking news about NHL trades is revealed?
So I'd be very surprised if Eisenman wasn't in there, especially because... A piece like Thomas would fit their move as they try and get better, but the assets are tremendous. Maybe he's not willing to do that. Guys, we got a little breaking news here.
The Toronto Maple Leafs have traded Nicholas Roy to the Colorado Avalanche for a 2027 conditional first-round pick and a 2026 conditional fifth-round pick. We talked about McCarron.
Chapter 6: What are the implications of the Nicholas Roy trade?
Boys, we talked about McCarron going for it. He set the market there, and you got cup experience, you got size, and then he has to play fourth-line center to be effective. So with Nelson already in Colorado, you could put the Cadre stuff to bed, I think, in Colorado now. 100%. Yeah. And that's interesting. I mean, frankly, I just got a text at the same time you're announcing a first and a fifth.
No, we beat you. Yes, you beat me. Scoop me. You're an idiot. So I think that's tremendous value for Nicholas Waugh. Yeah. I mean, come on. And I do know, you know, Brad Trolliby was taking a few punches based on the return that Edmonton got as part of the Mangia Ponte, Jason Dickinson, that trade where a first round pick was included and all that.
Well, you don't think that Trey living was in the conversation with Stan Bowman. Of course he was right. Here's the thing. Edmonton had Jason Dickinson higher on their list than what? Okay. That's a hockey decision. All the other pieces come into play, right? I mean, that's, that's the prerogative and the view of, of Stan Bowman. That's fine.
Chapter 7: How do players handle no-move clauses during trades?
And now that we see Nick Roy going to Colorado, uh, Wow. I mean, he's younger and he fits the need. I mean, Cadbury would have been their number three because of the year that Brock Nelson is having. And this is what is going to frustrate Craig Conrad. We're messing around. We're messing around here. Colorado has been consistently interested in Connery. Montreal, consistent.
But as we talked about earlier, okay, we're not willing to retain on that. Okay, well, there's one more big piece that Craig Connery doesn't have to work with in the Colorado Avalanche. Yeah, where you're saying, I'm trying to tell the owner here, almost let me do my job. Retention is part of us. I mean, the number of draft picks Calgary has this summer and moving forward is incredible.
You're rebuilding. Let us retend a little. We're going to get even more back. Boys, here's a crazy one. I think Kadri might end up in Vegas if William Carlson's not coming back. That's we always, they always end up doing something fucking crazy. I'm, I'm throwing Vegas in the mix for cadre now. I mean, they're always in. Yeah. They got hurt all that one year.
I was like, what the, it was at 3 0 3 PM. But, uh, so like two trades ago now, uh, because they just acquired Nick Dowd. Um, and then it was Cole Smith prior to both those deals. An excellent Vegas source said to me, nah, you know, we're going to be quiet. I don't think we're going to do a whole lot. I'm like, oh yeah, here's Pinocchio.
Chapter 8: What insights does Matt Duchene share about the Stars' performance?
Like what are we doing here? I want to commend Nashville and what they did from the start to get back in the mix. But we had this discussion about like, what do you do? And Stamkos' name is so interesting to me. Like the year he's had. Yeah. I also wonder about Ryan O'Reilly. Now I want to ask your opinion because I don't,
It's been said before by Trotz, like, Ryan O'Reilly doesn't have a no movement, but I'm treating it as he does. It'll be up to him. The side I don't get is, like, man, if you're trying to rebuild and get this thing going again, like, I get the respect for him, but why have it?
Like, you got to make hard decisions here, and you could almost, like, say, sorry, Ryan, I know you don't want to go anywhere, but, like, we're trying to get this thing going again. Like, what do you think about those names and going on in Nashville? Yeah, and Stamkos too, right? And the issue that I have, and we in the media have continued to pound away at that possibility.
I mean, ROR's name's been out there for several weeks now. And there's a high level of respect Barry Trotz has, and Ryan O'Reilly has earned that. Because, hey, the other thing is, how active do you think and influential O'Reilly was in getting Stamkos to sign up? Come on, of course he was, right? You might say the same thing of Jonathan Marsh. So O'Reilly is pretty sensitive to all of that.
But I know O'Reilly and Stamkos are just flat out waiting for the phone to ring. And if Trotz comes to them, okay, in Stamkos' case, he can manage that process. He's going back and saying, all right, here are the two, three, maybe four teams that I'm willing to consider. But we're running out of runway here, fellas. You know, we're having this conversation on Thursday.
All of a sudden that Friday deadline hits like a ton of bricks. Or when you're trying to navigate a process, including a future Hall of Famer like Stephen Stamko's Friday morning of the trade deadline. I mean, it gets pretty complicated. I think today, I think today, tonight on Thursday is pivotal with all these big guys. Yeah. Thomas, Stamkos, O'Reilly.
I mean, Pareko's still sitting there trying to figure his stuff out. I mean, all of that, all of that, I think is going to shake down today. I also believe that the McCarron trade and then it was Smith who also got dealt. I think it upset the group a little bit. It seemed like it also caught them off guard. Brunette was kind of like, oh, yeah, you could tell.
So that could maybe potentially be the straw that broke the camel's back and them being like, all right, fuck this. Let's just get the fuck out of here and reshuffle the deck. I had one just to go back to Detroit and Biz mentioned having the two goalie prospects. And my mind went back to when Florida had Levi and Spencer Knight. And, you know, they get Reinhardt in that trade to Buffalo for Levi.
And then they get Jones, like two pivotal guys to help them win two different cups. You think Detroit's sitting on that? Like, okay, we can either wait a few years to trade these guys, let it kind of marinate, or they're ready to trade one of them now. Yeah, I think they're ready. I do.
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