Chapter 1: What historical significance does pie hold in different cultures?
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Hey, and welcome to the short stuff. It's delicious short stuff. I'm Josh. There's Chuck. Jerry's not here. Dave's not here. But a bunch of pie talk is here, so strap in, everybody. Actually, I should say unbuckle, everybody.
That's right. Unbuckle the top button or that belt loop because this made me want to eat pie. I love pie. I think we talked a little bit about pie in our cake episode.
Sure.
About the merits of pie. And of course, there's also the great legendary, I dare say, Paula Tompkins bit on cake versus pie.
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Chapter 2: How did ancient Egyptians contribute to the evolution of pie?
Yeah, just grab it by the leg. Grab that pheasant like a rabbit. I guess that's no different than just eating a chicken leg.
It's a little different. I'm talking about like the feet here is what I understand. Oh, okay. Like the whole leg down to the toenails is what they left on.
Toenails? Mm-hmm. You ever seen a chicken toenail?
I haven't looked that closely. I've just always assumed they were there.
They also called them coffins, two Fs and a Y. Again, they love those Ys instead of Is. And, of course, that means box.
Yeah, because that's what they were making. There was like sturdy walls, a sturdy bottom, a crust over the top. And these were actually what the Greeks were basically making pies for too. The point of the pie was to seal in the juices of like the savory mixture of meats and stuff, right?
Yeah.
It was a way to bake a bunch of stuff together and then serve it as one thing onto a table. That was the point of pies. They didn't care about pastries in medieval England, like the actual... Crust was considered inedible by the rich, but the lower classes would eat the pie crust when they had to. So they also made pies without tops whatsoever. Those are tarts.
That's what they still call them today. Those, I think, were more pastry edible forward.
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Chapter 3: What role did the Greeks play in the development of pastry dough?
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Chapter 4: How did the Romans influence pie-making in Europe?
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So we got to talk about pumpkin pie, which was brought to the new world by the colonists on the Mayflower. But it's interesting because when they got here, Native Americans were like, hey, look at these things we got. They're called pumpkins. And one day they will invent spices to put with these that taste nothing like pumpkins, but you will totally associate that with pumpkin.
Right. And so like the first pumpkin pies were actually not pies at all. They were they used the pumpkin themselves as basically the pie crust, put in honey and spices and stuff like that and baked it over hot coals. Then they ate that. But the thing is, you still think of like, OK, well, eventually, like it got figured out in the United States or the English colonies. Right.
No, that's not the case. Pumpkin pie actually got exported with the pumpkins in a couple of decades over to France. The first recipe that even mentions a pumpkin pie called the Pompillon pie was published in a French cookbook by a French chef in 1651. And it wouldn't be another few decades, actually another century or so, before it showed up in a recipe in an American cookbook.
That's right. In 1796, it was in the very first American cookbook, in fact, from Amelia Simmons called American Cookery by an American Orphan. And yeah, that pumpkin pie was in there. The kind of like the one we know it. It was kind of a pumpkin pudding. But that's not super unlike pumpkin pie.
No, because you baked it in a pie shell. So if you ask me, that's pumpkin pie.
Agreed.
So pumpkin pie seems pretty American. That's why the French thing was so puzzling. But apple pie, 100% American. Like, don't even come at me with anything else. Take it, Chuck.
Well, buddy, apples don't come from America. They're native to Asia. So they were brought over to the New World by the colonists. And I think we all know that the perfect apple pie is that Dutch apple pie. And they're the ones they were the OGs a couple of years, a couple of sorry, a couple of hundred years prior to those apples coming over from Asia.
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