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Chapter 1: What are the hosts' favorite things from the past week?
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My name is Madison Sullivan-Thorpe and I am joined by my lovely co-hosts, Annika Joshi-Smith and Joanna Fleming. Hello. Hi, guys. How are we? Good.
I'm great. I'm excited for this week. I feel like it's a good week to have a good week. Yeah, and you've just told us off, Mike, that you have some news from a tarot reader that I'm dying to hear about, so I'd like to get to that, please.
It's not so much news, but I, look, I'm very superstitious. I don't think I always was, but I'm also very hesitant in my superstition and my woo-woo. And I was at an event on Wednesday and there was a tarot card reader there. And I sat down and the event was for a jewellery brand. And so she immediately said, is that necklace from this brand? And I said, no. She goes, good. I didn't think so.
That is from an estate auction, isn't it? Oh. And I said, yes. And she said, do you mind if I touch the necklace? And I said, no, of course not. And so I went to unclip it and she was like, no, no, I can just touch it on your neck. I was like, no, let's do the full, you know, full shebang. Took the necklace off and she held it in her hand and she was like, this is from New York, isn't it?
This is from a woman in New York. And it was. It is, I should say. The necklace still exists. She was like, you were supposed to have this necklace. This woman has like the spirit and energy you need. Did your life get substantially better when you got the necklace? Mads, I have full body chills right now. I had full body chills.
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Chapter 2: How does superstition play a role in sports fandom?
And my girlfriend, Beck, also had a reading with her and had full body chills. This girl was unbelievable. And what she was saying, she was like, was she from here in New York? And when I bought the necklace at the auction, it did have from the estate of a woman on in the particular region of New York that she lived in. And so she was like, it's really important.
The irony that I'm not actually wearing this necklace right now. It's really important that you don't take this off. Do you wear this in funny places? And I was like, my girlfriend's always laughed that I wear this beautiful necklace to like Pilates and the supermarket. She's like, it's really important that you do. Like it's the embodiment of the spirit you're supposed to have. Oh my gosh.
I am so into this. My mum and I actually, we went and got our readings done in New Zealand. We drove three hours out of Auckland and we went to this teeny tiny remote little village. I can't even say the name. Like everything so far that she said has happened to me. I am so into this, you guys. I love this so much.
Jo, we had one recently as well. I've had so many readings in my life. I absolutely love getting psychic readings. Can we get one together?
Can we do something like a stylish outing where, like, all five of us hosts go and actually get our readings done together? I feel like we just bring them in the studio. Even better.
We don't have to travel. Oh, my God. Real time, live. I've done that. On the last podcast that I hosted, we had a psychic come on. Oh, I'm scared. I actually need to listen back to that episode. Okay.
Yeah.
But I do remember her saying a lot of stuff that sounded a lot like Adrienne. Okay, way into the woo-woo. So interesting though. I love this. Jo, when I finish.
Put the neckles back on. I know. The irony. I like literally didn't take it off when I got in the shower after I'd been at the event. I was like, must keep on at all times.
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Chapter 3: Why did Beauty Pie face backlash over their LED mask ad?
Like, yes, they're doing everything above board by clinical trial standards, but there might only be a sample group of 50. That is wild to me. And it's like, also, if you're selling a product for people to put on their faces, wouldn't you want the integrity of the product and the credibility of your brand to shine through? Like, is that not worth the investment?
As a comparison for you, Annika, to give you a little read on other studies that have had it, because LED is my special interest. Well, Therabody did a study on their TheraFace mask glow, and that's now backed by the largest clinical study of any LED mask available on the market right now with 104 participants with varying Fitzpatrick skin types, which is your skin tone, essentially.
So they've trialed that device on all skin tones to get a read of that. And Current Body completed a 56-day study on their Series 2 LED mask with 35 subjects. And they used some advanced technology alongside self-reporting to measure the results. So they used a corneometer to measure hydration. They used a Vizia device, which is where they take photos of your skin. They can see
what's going on with vascularity and pigment and all those types of things. So it also comes down to Beauty Pie. Like, was that all self-reporting? Because that's just the people that have done the study observing their own skin and they're not skin experts. Right. So there's also that part to the picture as well.
I actually found this interesting. I didn't know about this and I was so intrigued by the product itself. So I jumped online onto the Beauty Pie actual website and had a look at the reviews on the product. I was actually astounded to see that they had 61 customers actually leave a one-star review saying that the products didn't work.
But like, it's just so interesting because obviously those 61 people aren't reflected in the 28 sample size results. Devil's advocate, a product review in a clinical trial can be very different. So someone's individual experience with something isn't necessarily a clinical trial. If we've got 60, 80 people in the Therabody version, 106 was it? 104. 104. So sorry, added two. The 104.
It's like, you know, that's still not going to be reflective of the population as a whole. You will still have someone who doesn't use it correctly or doesn't have a good experience despite using it alongside instructions. You don't know what products they're using in their regime as it is.
I think what's really kind of layered in this one as well is that they didn't classify it as a medical device. And in Australia, under TGA regulations, I can't speak for the UK, as I said, compliance background, AU compliance background, just to be really specific here. You know, it is considered a medical device. It does change the appearance of your skin, so you must register it as a device.
It's not like selling a serum. You can go and sell a serum, and as long as your claims aren't interfering with TGA requirements, you're well within your right just to talk about it as a topical skincare product so long as you're not making... you know, puffery or, you know, inflated language in claims. So I think there were like a lot of boxes with big red crosses in this instance.
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Chapter 4: What does 'clinically proven' really mean in beauty advertising?
Like it will be interesting to see how more, you know, more of these devices are regulated. Oh my gosh. So in Jojo We Trust, can you please tell me and the listeners what LED mask should we be buying then? I can't tell you that. Why?
Because there are... She's gatekeeping. Compliance, yeah. Well, I'm not technically gatekeeping. I have compared a lot of devices on socials and that is kind of a workaround to be able to give you the information without saying, this is what you should go and buy because I love it, because the TGA guidelines prevent me from doing that.
Understood.
But what I can tell you is that if you want to be looking for an LED device, if you're in the market for one, you want to look for a device with an irradiance of 30 milliwatts per centimeter squared or higher. wavelengths of between 630 and 660 nanometers for red and 830 and 880 nanometers for near infrared. And if the brand can't give you that information, we are not buying their product.
We are not adding to cart because these devices are expensive and they need to be worth the investment. Okay. Thank you, Jojo. There's plenty more where that came from on my Instagram.
Yeah. And if you do want to see how many people were in the clinical trial, majority of the time, at least for Australian standards, you will see a little asterisk at the bottom and it should say the sample size or the clinical trial group size or age bracket that they were within.
That's a great shout. I'm going to look out for the fine print. And a lot of these reputable brands will also have the studies on their website somewhere as well because they want to prove that they've gone to the effort of doing a study as well.
Totally. And my key takeaway for largely you, Annika, but maybe people listening as well, don't be scared of anyone that says clinical trial. It is very likely they have done the right thing. I'm going to sit there now and go find all the fine print before I add to cart because you know how I get with my little tappity tap. That is all for this week's episode of Stylish.
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Chapter 5: What is the significance of the orange bag phenomenon?
It'll be Naima and myself. And then we'll see you next Wednesday. Bye. Bisu bisu.
This podcast was recorded on Wurundjeri land. Always was, always will be Aboriginal land.
Hello, it's Ruby here, the host of Shameless Media's interview show, Inherited. New interviews drop every single Tuesday. And I wanted to remind you about the Special Life Lessons episode with my Nana, Kay. A few weeks ago, we sat down in Perth together and unpacked the last 80 years of her life. It's a really interesting story.
The Inherited team are actually going to share their thoughts about this episode. First up is Annabelle Lee.
Hi. I adore this episode. It's got to be one of my most favorite episodes of Inherited because obviously you guys have such a close, special bond. Nana K has such a fascinating story that I did know about, but not this much. Also, just one last thing. I really love, this is kind of random, but I really love how many times Nana K said your name. It was just so special.
It was just filled with so much love and I just adored this episode of Nana K. I love this episode so much as someone who has lost all of their grandparents. I actually lost them by the age of 11. I've never been able to have a conversation with them as an adult. So I don't know what they were like. And it was so cool to see Nana.
And Rube's now in her 30s talking to her grandma about what she was like in her 30s and asking questions that I don't think that you can ask in normal family circumstances. So it was just a fascinating conversation. I cried 10 minutes in. I wish I could have a line with her.
Ruby's Nana is just so thoughtful, reflective, and has an emotional depth to her that I think a lot of grandparents probably can't access. It's that reflective chat over a lifetime that you really wish you could go that deep with your grandparents. So, yeah, it made me cry so much.
To listen to this conversation in full with my Nana Kay, just search Inherited on your favourite podcast app. And Inherited interviews drop every single Tuesday, so we'll see you then.
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