Ex-Mafia Boss vs 20 Cops
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What are the implications of undercover sting operations?
Are you familiar with an FBI agent named Lynn DiVecchio? No. Okay, he was indicted for murder, for murders. I think more of your guys than my guys have been indicted for murder. Absolutely, because we were criminals, but the FBI is supposed to be fining upstanding citizens that took an oath to protect people. Your organization, you guys violated your oath or you wouldn't be here. We were criminals. We were criminals. You can't compare us to the FBI. If you compare us to the FBI, we're in a lot of trouble.
From Jubilee Media, this is The Surrounded Podcast, where one brave soul faces a room full of disagreeers. In the center of the circle today is the former crime boss, Michael Francisi. And he will be facing 20 cops. Michael will debate them one-on-one until they are voted out by their peers and replaced by someone new. Let's get into it.
Hi, I'm Michael Francisi. I'm a former cop regime in the Colombo family in New York, one of the five New York mafia families. And today I'm surrounded by 20 cops. All right, my first surrounded claim is undercover sting operations often manufacture crime.
So you believe that undercover operations create crime?
Absolutely.
Let's talk about the word entrapment. So entrapment means that law enforcement officers are inducing a reasonable person who is not predisposed to a crime to commit a crime.
Well, what do you mean a reasonable person? In my experience, the undercover operations were either an undercover law enforcement person or somebody, a confidential informant that was put into that situation. That's not a fine upstanding person normally. The undercover agent? Absolutely.
OK.
But not that other person.
So I've worked undercover. I've worked undercover in multiple situations.
You're a fine, upstanding person.
Thank you. I appreciate that. And looking at it from that perspective, if I was doing a prostitution sting walking the streets, then people weren't predisposed to committing crime, they could keep driving or keep walking right by me. So the fact that I and my law enforcement agency created an arena for someone to make a decision does not mean that I manufactured crime for them. I did not force them to commit crime. They made that final decision.
I agree with that, and I believe that undercover sting operations are necessary to catch people that you suspect of being criminals. However, there are situations that I'm very familiar with where they will use another criminal to go into that become a confidential informant, and he will help to manufacture a crime by getting people to say things that they wouldn't have ordinarily said, put them in a situation, bring them a criminal activity of some form, and put them into it. So yeah, because they don't know what this other person is doing. I'll give you an example. Michael Francis, we know he's an organized crime guy. We got our informants told us that, but we haven't been able to catch him in a crime.
So let's send somebody in there and see if they can create something to put him involved in. And then we have our crime. That's done.
It is. But sending someone in like a confidential informant, there's also a lot of controls that are on the law enforcement side. So whether that person is wired or there is an infiltration of a law enforcement officer on, you know, as part of the act, they're still not causing crime to be manufactured. It's all being done rightfully by the suspect.
I can't agree with that. I cannot. When you wire up a confidential informant and that informant brings criminal activity to that other person because that's the person that's the subject of the sting operation, that's entrapment as far as I'm concerned because that wouldn't have happened if your confidential informant didn't go in and manufacture that crime. They're bringing him the crime. He's part of that criminal activity.
Understood. But if you didn't want to commit that crime, you wouldn't have to. You could walk away.
How does Michael Franzese define entrapment?
You could be like, you know what? I don't want to do this robbery tonight. I don't want to put something, I don't want to put an amount of money on someone's head.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What are the implications of undercover sting operations?
0:00–4:04
2
How does Michael Franzese define entrapment?
4:04–7:23
3
What examples illustrate the manufacturing of crime?
7:23–10:29
4
How do law enforcement and criminals differ in their approach to crime?
10:29–45:22
5
What insights does Michael Franzese share about the police's approach to arrests?
45:22–46:12
6
How does Michael Franzese compare law enforcement's use of informants to organized crime?
46:12–46:52
7
What are the implications of paid informants in law enforcement?
46:52–47:30
8
How does fear influence success in both law enforcement and organized crime?
47:30–1:27:40
Speakers
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