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Is Jordan Peterson Actually a Christian? | Surrounded Follow Up
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John Regalado sits down with Cade, Zina and Danny, to revisit the most heated moments of their Surrounded debate with Jordan Peterson. They discuss their debate tactics as well as their personal backstories as atheists. Follow our YouTube channel:https://www.youtube.com/@jubilee Follow Cade:youtube.com/@GayExTradFollow Zina:tiktok.com/@zinaaweenaaFollow Danny:youtube.com/@DannyPhilTalk Follow John Regalado:https://x.com/odalager_jhttps://www.youtube.com/@j_regalado Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Chapter 1: What motivated the follow-up episode on Jordan Peterson?
I was aggressive, absolutely, but I didn't realize, oh, I'm coming across as unhinged.
From Jubilee Media, this is the Surrounded Podcast. I'm John Regalado, and we've got another follow-up episode for you digging into last week's Jordan Peterson episode. Obviously, we would have loved to have Jordan Peterson on the pod. He's very busy and declined the invitation. We would have him on at any point in the future.
But we do have three of the people that he debated, Cade, Danny, and Zena. And they each had three very different experiences. Would you call yourself a Christian? And if not, why not? Well, I would say in the deepest sense, yes. Hey Cade, nice to meet you. Could you just kind of introduce yourself?
My name is Cade. I do a lot of yapping on the internet related to religion, queer identity, philosophy, and just about everything in between. My background is that I grew up in the liberal Western suburbs of Minneapolis, kind of a open and affirming environment. And I knew that I was gay from a young age, but was never comfortable with it. And so went deep down the religious rabbit hole.
Um, and was studying to become a Catholic priest. And so I was at church two to three times every single day was going to commit the rest of my life to being a cloistered monastic monk. Um, yeah, all the way into the religion, read a ton of Peterson.
And then two years ago I started realizing like, wait, the church is asking like a huge thing from me, which is to be celibate for the rest of my life. I should probably have good evidence to back that up.
It's so great to hear your backstory because, you know, in this format, I only get a small slice of who you are. You mentioned you had read Peterson before. So you had a relationship with his writings and his ideas prior to even encountering him.
I originally heard of Peterson back in like the 2015, 2016 era. I was very conservative at the time. And he kind of rose to prominence with the like debating feminist type of interviews, the Kathy Newman interview, etc. Why should your right to freedom of speech trump a trans person's right not to be offended? Because in order to be able to think, you have to risk being offensive.
But then I rediscovered Peterson kind of on my way out of religion. I read his original book from the 90s, which is just called Maps of Meaning. And it's one of the books that actually helped me deconstruct and kind of turned me into an atheist because what he does in that book is essentially explains all of the benefits of religion from a psychological and sociological and historic lens.
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Chapter 2: What personal experiences shaped Cade's beliefs?
And I think what Danny did is put Peterson's feet to the fire by not allowing him to escape very direct and very obvious questions. I don't think Danny's question was some sort of crazy gotcha. I don't think that Danny was being disingenuous.
I just think for the first time Peterson was told to his face to like answer a basic question that you know what people mean when they're asking the question. Hey Spotify, it's Damson Idris here to celebrate Tommy Hilfiger's Apex GP Collection.
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Danny, it's nice to meet you. Well, thanks for having me on. I have to say, the interaction that you had with Jordan, that's probably the first interaction I've seen on the show where I audibly gasped. That could be good or bad. Either you're a Christian or you're not. Which one is it? I could be either of them, but I don't have to tell you.
What does it feel like to see that clip going around the internet?
I mean, I knew I don't recall any clip where someone did that to Jordan Peterson. Like, I know I did something that I that no one had ever done to him. And, you know, you might count that as a good thing, depending on who you are. But, you know, some people call it elder abuse. Some people say that's really well deserved, given, you know, Jordan Peterson. But I feel just fine.
I just got a little exhausted because that was the second half of the shooting. The first half was some of the responses that he gave to my peers were hard to listen to, changing the subject, being overly pedantic. I was like in a charging station, like my chair was like charging me up because of what I was listening to, because like I said, it was in the first half.
So that's how I feel about the whole exchange overall. You don't have to tell me. I was under the impression. I was invited to talk to a Christian. Am I not talking to a Christian? No, you were invited to. I think everyone should look at the title of the YouTube channel. You're probably in the wrong YouTube video.
One key element of sort of the controversy is the labeling itself. Do you feel like the labeling was correct? Yeah. So my impression is that the, you know, they had a, y'all had a show where it was what, one atheist versus 20 or 25 Christians. So it's very natural. Alex O'Connor was in that one.
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