Is Jordan Peterson Actually a Christian? | Surrounded Follow Up
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What motivated the follow-up episode on Jordan Peterson?
I was aggressive, absolutely, but I didn't realize, oh, I'm coming across as unhinged.
From Jubilee Media, this is the Surrounded Podcast. I'm John Regalado, and we've got another follow-up episode for you digging into last week's Jordan Peterson episode. Obviously, we would have loved to have Jordan Peterson on the pod. He's very busy and declined the invitation. We would have him on at any point in the future. But we do have three of the people that he debated, Cade, Danny, and Zena. And they each had three very different experiences. Would you call yourself a Christian? And if not, why not? Well, I would say in the deepest sense, yes. Hey Cade, nice to meet you. Could you just kind of introduce yourself? My name is Cade. I do a lot of yapping on the internet related to religion, queer identity, philosophy, and just about everything in between. My background is that I grew up in the liberal Western suburbs of Minneapolis, kind of a open and affirming environment. And I knew that I was gay from a young age, but was never comfortable with it. And so went deep down the religious rabbit hole.
Um, and was studying to become a Catholic priest. And so I was at church two to three times every single day was going to commit the rest of my life to being a cloistered monastic monk. Um, yeah, all the way into the religion, read a ton of Peterson. And then two years ago I started realizing like, wait, the church is asking like a huge thing from me, which is to be celibate for the rest of my life. I should probably have good evidence to back that up. It's so great to hear your backstory because, you know, in this format, I only get a small slice of who you are. You mentioned you had read Peterson before. So you had a relationship with his writings and his ideas prior to even encountering him.
I originally heard of Peterson back in like the 2015, 2016 era. I was very conservative at the time. And he kind of rose to prominence with the like debating feminist type of interviews, the Kathy Newman interview, etc. Why should your right to freedom of speech trump a trans person's right not to be offended? Because in order to be able to think, you have to risk being offensive. But then I rediscovered Peterson kind of on my way out of religion. I read his original book from the 90s, which is just called Maps of Meaning. And it's one of the books that actually helped me deconstruct and kind of turned me into an atheist because what he does in that book is essentially explains all of the benefits of religion from a psychological and sociological and historic lens.
And as I was reading the book, I was like, wait, all the benefits that I love about religion, everything that made the community great and the beliefs and the peace and the ritual, all of that jazz, that's human created, which means that it's now negotiable. I think that's really interesting that he was part of your deconstruction and then you found yourself face to face with him and kind of oppositionally. In the video, you're the first person to go to the center. How amped were you to just like get in that seat right off the bat? I mean, I could have talked to Peterson for a good like six hours would be my ideal situation. And so when it was the do I try to rush the chair and go up first? I decided I was like, I think I go for it. Good afternoon, Dr. Peterson. How are you doing?
So this claim here that atheists don't know what they're rejecting, my background is in studying to become a traditional Catholic priest, daily mass, daily rosary, going on long retreats deep into the magisterium and biblical hermeneutics like I was thoroughly in it. You did bring your story in right away, knowing a little bit more about your story, your trajectory. That first prompt does kind of directly point to you. It's like atheists reject God, but they don't understand what they're rejecting. Were you offended by that? I wasn't offended, I think. With Jordan Peterson, I feel like I agree with 96% of his descriptive claims. He talks about the sociology of religion. He talks about such broad topics. And he likes to hide his so what's deeper into his conversations. And so if the prompt was a lot of atheists haven't studied religion for a very long time, sure, maybe like that could work.
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