Kylie! – Michael Hutchence, ‘Indie Kylie’ and those gold hotpants

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Who is Kylie Minogue and why is she considered a 90s pop icon?

Bruno Satin 0:04
Ooh.
Miranda Sawyer 0:05
Hello and welcome to Talk 90s to me, where we start the 90s as a pop moppet with a hot rock star boyfriend, move definitively into full gay icon with an unmatchable series of complete bangers, flounder a little in the weeds of indie music and rubbish films, before returning via gold hot pants and a white nylon hood into our correct position of impossible princess whose songs we can't get out of. our heads. I'm Miranda Sawyer, and yes, this week at last. We are talking Kylie with the brilliant writer of the fantastic new book, Can't Get You Out of My Head, in Search of Kylie. It's Michael Cragg. Hello, Michael. Hello, thank you very much. I'm so excited.
Michael Cragg 0:52
Who doesn't want to be in Kylie World, honestly?
Miranda Sawyer 0:54
Exactly, exactly, exactly. Okay, before we start, I just want to read out what Kylie has achieved. Okay. Okay. Two Grammy Awards, four Brit Awards, 18 Arya Music Awards. She is the highest-selling Australian-born female artist of all time, sales surpassing 80 million records. She, before Madonna, scored UK number ones in five consecutive decades, 1980s, 1998. nineteen nineties, two thousands, two thousand tens and twenty twenties.
Bruno Satin 1:22
Hm.
Miranda Sawyer 1:23
She is I mean more than an icon. She is a great pop star.
Michael Cragg 1:26
She is. Maybe the best, maybe my favourite. I mean, you know, I've written a book about her, so I would say that. But really getting into the book I was like, this is you know, that achievement is incredible. From where she started to where she is now in pop is monumental, I think.
Miranda Sawyer 1:41
I think I I would agree. Okay. Look, as ever with Talk Nineties, we have to do a bit of pre nineties. It's with everything it's really interesting. The more I do this show, the more I realise everything starts around nineteen eighty eight.
Bruno Satin 1:52
Yeah.
Miranda Sawyer 1:52
And then carries on. Anyway, so we need to do a little bit of pre nineties, Kylie. What we might call the neighbours, Stock Achin and Waterman, smash hits ears. Right. So really we can do a little bit about neighbours. Um she plays Charlene in Neighbours in nineteen eighty six. Jason Donovan plays Scott Robinson. She's a mechanic.
Michael Cragg 2:15
Yes, she's a sort of tomboy. I think she's first seen punching Jason Donovan in the face. Because he thinks she's breaking into the house, but actually there's like a convoluted sort of reason why. And I remember like watching neighbors and seeing her and their relationship sort of blossom and then, you know, later down the line they're a sort of secret couple in real life and then especially for you. But yes, the first time Kylie is seen on the neighbours is yeah, punching him in the face.
Miranda Sawyer 2:44
It's the making happy things work out, isn't it, really? It's like foreshadowing. Anyway, she wa she's on Neighbours and there's a couple of things that I think that are established on Neighbours. One is the camera loves her. Yeah. Like without a doubt, I think that uh we can argue that Kylie is one of the most photogenic pop stars ever. Yes. Like you know, like if you see her like this is often true of pop stars, it's particularly true of models. If you see people sometimes off screen, you think, Who is that child? Yeah they look really normal. Yeah, and then there's something about the camera that really loves Kylie. She looks incredibly beautiful. Also, it establishes her Their amazing work ethic.
Michael Cragg 3:24
Yes. I think, you know, people can't really understand how much that show was sort of floundering at the beginning. And so they brought in this younger cast to sort of do exactly what it did, which was sort of get the younger audience in. But it meant that they were sort of d like pop stars. They were sort of opening shopping malls and had thousands of fans sort of running after them and they were having to do all this extra stuff that, you know, Madge wasn't having to do or whatever. So they were having to sort of be here in every And I think that instilled in her this idea both of like work ethic, but also that when the light is on, you perform. And whether that's in front of the camera or whether that's in a studio or wherever, photo shoot you are like, I'm working now.
Michael Cragg 4:03
And I think that really got instilled in her so early.

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