Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Great to be here, guys. Great to be here. Fantastic. Back to back with Kyle.
Yeah, yeah. He laid out one of the greatest SpaceX bull cases. We're going to throw it to you to try and one up him. He said, whoever controls space controls the world. And for that reason, you got to own SpaceX. I liked it.
Chapter 2: What insights does Brad Gerstner share about the AI boom?
But take us a little level deeper. What are you thinking about in the SpaceX IPO and the lead up? What are you watching for? What unanswered questions are there? What do you think is misunderstood maybe that more people should be aware of?
i mean i mean come on guys we didn't even have any foreplay and you're already down you know and the spacex ipo i mean first i haven't seen you guys did you sell this thing did you sell it yeah i think you did i think we're working for you okay i think we're working for you now did you guys get shares in open ai when you saw this thing yeah yeah okay on the team so we're all we're all on we're on the same team okay
How much money did you make? I mean, we got to turn the tables a little bit. Anyway, let's talk SpaceX.
Well, maybe before that, we can rewind a little bit because I do remember the last time we were hanging out in person. It was at Katzenberg's event, right? It was kind of this interesting moment because in some ways we were going through a mini correction, right? Like chatbots grew incredibly quickly. agents were just starting to work.
And it's been interesting to see how the market did go through this correction in Q4, but then realize, hey, whoa, agents are a thing. And you had pretty much perfectly called that in the conversation that we were having, which, yeah, in some ways it's just been, it's been such a wild year for so many reasons, but I feel like you had a somewhat of a crystal ball back then.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, thank you. And I recall that conversation. And the truth of the matter is we've gone through several many corrections over the course of the last two and a half years. Right. There's been a wall of worry. I mean, on my podcast with Bill, Bill Gurley, you know, we debated this. You know, Bill was saying, will the revenue show up? Will there be gross margins? Will there be ROI?
We're overbuilding or, you know, every supply chain. constraint turns into a glut and we saw all that wall of worry last year. I mean, I think for me, the turning point was when we hit inference time reasoning and we really had this whole other vector of scaling intelligence,
And I remembered having Jensen on the podcast, and he said, Brad, inference isn't going to 100x, it's not going to 1,000x, it's going to 1 billionx because agents are going to be talking to agents. And so I got very pilled.
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Chapter 3: How are companies like Anthropic and Nvidia benefiting from AI?
But the fundamental driver of outperformance in terms of offtake of AI revenues has been Anthropic, which is the fastest growing company in the history of capitalism. So that buoyed the entire AI segment. And it was when they started posting those numbers and then they said, on top of that, we're doing it at high gross margins in a way that in Q2 may in fact actually lead to free cash growth.
some positive free cash flow, the market really ascended. Remember, two months ago, the market was basically down on the air. And a lot of these returns, we just had two of the biggest months in the history of Altimeter's public funds. That's 18 years. I mean, we're going back a long time. But that's, you know, listen, I think we picked some pretty good stocks, memory, logic, et cetera.
But I also think it's just a function of the market delivered. These companies delivered. You saw Dell's, I mean, listen, Michael Dell, one of my best buds. And you watch the act, you know, that he's delivering with Dell. They just had AI server revenues up 750% year over year, went from a $1 billion business to a $16 billion business. This stuff is real, but in order for it to stay real,
We have to continue to see usage by consumers that they're willing to pay for and growth in the enterprise, small, medium and large that they're willing to pay for and growth in the sovereign domain. I think it will occur. But oftentimes, you know, there'll be some pockets along the way here where, you know, where revenues won't be as strong as people think. We'll have some pullbacks.
We could have 10 to 20 percent pullbacks in the semiconductor stock as just like run of the mill consolidation.
Yeah. Yeah.
Right. Run of the mill consolidation. I mean, Micron has gone from a couple hundred bucks to a thousand bucks. Dell this time last year was, I think, 80 or 90 dollars. It's now at four hundred dollars. These are seismic moves. Yeah. Right. And so, yeah, fortunately, we were pretty bullish when other people were skeptical. Yeah. But.
Yeah, it feels like there's this natural reaction. Anytime there's good news, someone has to dig up something that's a little bit bearish. Right now we're seeing incredible anthropic revenues, and then there's questions about ROI on token maxing and how much is going on there. How are you processing that?
Are you thinking that we'll see CEOs and management teams on the next earnings cycle sort of start to dig into those numbers, or is it just the markets will get better?
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Chapter 4: Why is investing in data centers crucial for America's future?
It looks to me like the multiples reset from an above market multiple where everybody thought the software revenues and earnings were impenetrable. So now they're saying, well, I don't know. Some of this maybe three, four or five years out will be replaced. So we're going to raise the discount rate. We're going to lower the multiple. They've only lowered it to the market multiple.
Let me just suggest that there's a possibility these trade well below the market multiple. Sure. Right. I'm not I'm not wishing for that, but I'm just saying there's a distribution of potential outcomes here. If you get on the AI train, if you get in the token flow, you're going to get above market multiple.
If you don't, if you slow down and it looks like every time that computational intelligence improves, your business gets worse. Then I promise you they will trade below the market multiple and there's and there's more room to the downside. So for us as investors, you know, Warren Buffett has this.
You know, this old metaphor, you know, there's the easy basket, there's the hard basket, or the yes basket, the no basket, the too hard basket. For me, software today is generally in the too hard basket.
It's notable because you've been saying that, I think, for months now. And there's a lot of people now that there's been a stabilization that say like, oh, I'm smart enough. I can outsmart the market here. And like you're saying, even with where multiples are now, you still could be catching a falling knife.
I wanted to ask you about the potential data center moratorium and how the likelihood of something like that in your view, how that would... If you have less capacity coming online, that would obviously be bad for, you know, chip companies, various companies in the hardware supply chain.
But it could be great for people that are actually have, you know, basically like have tokens to sell because they would potentially get more pricing power.
How do you think it's bad for everybody? Yeah, bad for everybody. But most importantly, it would be horrific for America. Yeah. And lest we be overconfident in Silicon Valley, let's remember the activists, a small group of activists shut down supersonic technology and a small group of activists shut down all nuclear clean energy in this country.
OK, we have 100 fission reactors being built in China. We have one in the United States. It's a disaster that happened. And so we can't take for granted that the kooks who are calling for data center moratoriums. Right. Which just think about this for a second.
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