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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Tech Talk with Jess Kelly. With Renault's award-winning hybrid and full electric lineup, where style meets tech. Rethink Renault. This is News Talk. Yeah, you're very welcome along to Tech Talk. This is Jess Kelly with you here on News Talk. Coming up over the next hour as Meta makes further job cuts, citing AI as the reason.
We'll take a closer look at the Irish jobs market and ask where the opportunities for humans lie. As always, you can email the show techtalk at newstalk.com or you'll find me on Instagram at jesskelleynt. Later in the show, we'll jump into the inbox to answer some of your tech questions. And we'll also take a closer look at the letters from Sky to Dodgy Box users.
But I want to start this week with Meta. Robots are coming for jobs at Meta. The company says about 10% of its workforce, that's about 8,000 people, were told today they're losing their jobs. Meta says it is redirecting payroll into artificial intelligence and planning more than $150 billion in AI capital spending this year.
About 7,000 remaining workers will be reassigned to AI roles, while 6,000 planned hires will now go unfilled. That report from CBS outlining significant job cuts at Meta once again. Now they had flagged in advance that this was on the cards. Not only will layoffs and transfers impact around 20% of the company's entire global workforce,
But also in a letter to staff, Mark Zuckerberg stated that success isn't a given and AI is the most consequential technology of our lifetimes. The companies that lead the way will define the next generation. Now it's thought that over 300 of Meta's 1,800 Dublin-based employees will be impacted, along with 700 workers at the third-party company Covalent,
which is a main contractor for the company. You might remember we had some of the former employees at Covalent and indeed the representatives on this programme a wee while ago over disputes about the severance that the employees at Covalent receive. But Meta is just one of a number of companies making cuts and citing AI as the reason.
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Chapter 2: What recent job cuts has Meta announced and why?
With many now claiming these tech giants are, quote, AI washing, using the emerging technology as an excuse to reduce its headcount and therefore its bottom line costs. So what impact will the AI effect have on the overall jobs market, which is also feeling the impact of geopolitical uncertainty?
Christopher Payne, Country Director of the Stepstone Group Ireland with responsibility for Irish jobs is with me now. Chris, how are you?
I'm really good. Thanks for having me, Jess.
Thanks for joining us. So obviously, as I mentioned there, it's been a turbulent week in terms of the tech jobs market. Before we go down that rabbit hole, can you just talk me through some of the trends that have come out from the latest research compiled by Irish jobs?
Yeah, absolutely. So we've just published our hiring trends update. And I think meta aside, because that's the big news story right now, the Irish labour market is actually still in a relatively strong position. We're just seeing that businesses are being more cautious and it's a more targeted approach to hiring.
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Chapter 3: How is AI influencing the Irish job market?
So obviously our unemployment rate remains really low. It's about 4.8% in April. But we are seeing that job growth is moderating rather than accelerating. So I think right now it's not a hiring free story. It's more of a selective hiring story. But in good news, our own research that you've just mentioned has told us that employers are telling us they will be increasing hiring.
So 50% or so are going to increase hiring in H2. So it's not all bad news.
And are there certain sectors that are doing better than others? Because again, as I mentioned at the top of the show, meta aren't the only ones in the tech sphere that are looking at either reducing headcounts or redeploying people or increasing the use of AI and all the rest. So are there certain sectors that are performing better than others in terms of that job's growth?
yeah there are there are and i think the the easiest way to sometimes think about it is to link it to where are our large infrastructure projects in ireland or where do we have problems so obviously anything linked to housing or metro north or uh you know m road bypasses things like that so we're seeing production is particularly strong at the moment of manufacturing so they've
About 70% of employers have told us they're going to be increasing hiring in H2. And then it's the usual suspects. It's engineering, it's construction. Funnily enough, 51% of IT companies did tell us they plan on increasing hiring in H2. So they do plan on hiring more staff. So Meta, I think the larger tech companies, there's definitely, to use that phrase, AI washing.
There's definitely a little bit of that happening because there are publicly listed large companies and they need to make sure that they are cutting their cloth, but also making sure that whatever they go out to the market with is about increasing share price and stuff as well. So most people in Ireland are employed by SMEs.
And so we shouldn't get too concerned about just looking at the metas or the really large tech organisations as difficult as it is for those 350 or so people who will be impacted.
When we look at the entry level jobs, this is an area that I'm fascinated by because I'm 18 years in Newstalk now, but I started as an intern making tea and coffee. And the stuff that I learned during that internship, I think, has stood to me more than my three years of Irish and geography in UCD.
There is something really beneficial to entry level positions, but we're now seeing a bit of a trend or hearing a bit about a trend of those lower level positions not being made available in certain sectors because of AI. Is that ringing true in what you're seeing?
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Chapter 4: What trends are emerging in the tech job sector?
The benefit is speed. Recruiters are spending about a third of their week on admin. I think this is a really good opportunity for recruiters to not spend a third of their week on admin. If you want me to be really honest, I'm not a huge fan of screening of CVs using AI. And I also don't really like AI being used to replace the interview process.
People work for people and people want to be hired by people. So I would always hesitate caution when it comes to taking this AI project too far in recruitment, because like that person you're speaking of, I would find it incredibly frustrating if I never got to deal with a candidate. And I just mentioned it.
My own wife has recently been hired and she had a really brilliant experience with a really well-known Irish company. And the big thing for her was she had a recruiter who she felt was on her side, you know, letting her know, I'm rooting for you here. You're meeting this person, that person, that person. Here's some tips. And immediately afterwards, how did you get on?
So I think that for me is something that I think Irish people are much better at. than some of our counterparts and actually some research said that we're much more empathetic than our say German and UK counterparts. I don't think we want to lose that within our hiring process.
No, absolutely not. Right, so let's end where we started, which is with meta and this notion of the AI washing. For the people who are unfortunately impacted by this, what is the advice in terms of them, firstly, accepting what's happening, then trying to pick themselves back up and get back into the job market?
Because if one of the biggest tech companies in the world is saying, you know what, you're not needed here anymore. It can be a serious, I suppose, crisis of confidence, I suppose, to then re-emerge and sell your story and your skill set and your experience to a new potential employer.
Yeah, do you know what I feel for them? I really do. There's never a nice new story that comes out when you hear people are at risk of losing their jobs. Having said that, what I would say for these people in particular, they are going to be highly sought after individuals. They're working for one of the biggest companies in the world. They're going to have a huge skill set.
They're going to be sought after by many big organizations. So I think that part they should be okay on. But then there is that piece, there's probably people in I've met her for 10, 15, 20 years, just like me and you are in our place. And I often think about, God, if I had to go back out to the market and do my CV and do all that, but go back to what our business is looking for right now.
They're looking for adaptability. They're looking for those soft skills. So what can you bring to the table? They want people who can problem solve, who can act in real time, who have emotional intelligence and are a team player. So make sure that you're going out to the market with what they're asking for. And those soft skills, it's creeping up every single time we do research.
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Chapter 5: Which sectors are currently seeing job growth?
We cannot and we will not hand over customers' banking history just because, you know, a private company like Sky asks for it. If you want this data, you've got to go get a high court judge to order it. And once that judge signs the order, Revolut had no choice but to comply. they were strictly treating this as a matter of legal compliance.
And I think the key takeaway here for a lot of people is that this completely explodes the myth that these financial apps that are on people's phones are some kind of digital wild west where transactions are hidden. Revolut is a fully licensed, regulated bank. They are subject to the exact same laws as the high street banks, AIB, Bank of Ireland, etc.
And if you leave a digital paper trail on your phone, a court order can have that pulled. So people are really starting to wake up to the fact that these apps don't offer that kind of anonymous service that they envisaged that they might.
Yeah, that's Rona Murphy, chairman of Smart Tech 247, explaining to Clare Byrne how Sky Ireland managed to get the information of the approximately 200 Dodgy Box users in this country to send them those legal letters. It's very interesting to see that this approach is being taken. There are some questions as to whether or not
anything can or would come of these legal letters if users do indeed continue to utilise the dodgy boxes. Some people I have seen and heard commenting about this are saying that just because somebody paid for a dodgy box does not mean that they are the ones using the dodgy box, which could prove to be a bit of a headache for Sky if they were to try and take this legal action any further.
Again, I know this is a very contentious issue. Anytime we've spoken about it on the programme, people get in touch saying, I know that it's illegal, but at the same time, I can't afford to pay all of the money for the Sky, the Virgin, the streaming services, the broadband, all the other bits and pieces.
It is an expensive hobby, I suppose, for want of a better phrase, to engage in this type of media. But as Sky are saying that it's costing their business and it will impact jobs and the industry and the sector as a whole. So something needs to be done. But I would love to hear, have you received one of these letters? Is it going to deter you from using the dodgy box?
You can email me techtalk at newstalk.com. Now, the Ryder Cup at Adair Manor has finally been added to the register of designated events and venues to prevent online ticket outs from scalping Irish fans.
Deputy John Clendenin sent out a press release this week stating that Adair Manor has been added to be covered under the Sale of Tickets, Cultural, Entertainment, Recreational and Sporting Events Act 2021 This is something that I think is much needed. But it's also a good excuse for us to look back at how Ireland, the ticketing companies and artists have looked to tackle the touts.
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Chapter 6: How is AI affecting entry-level job opportunities?
It's massively concerning on so many different levels. But I just wanted to acknowledge and declare my love and adoration of Stephen Colbert. I never got to see the show live. When I was in New York last year, I got to do the tour of SNL, which was incredible. And I walked down to the building, the Ed Sullivan Theatre, where Stephen Colbert did The Late Show. But I couldn't go in, unfortunately.
But even just to stand outside, get the pictures of the lights, the name and all the rest, it was nice. It was a nice moment. But it is a massive loss, in my humble opinion, to broadcasting that Stephen Colbert's Late Show is no more. If you're looking for something to do later on, go back and watch clips of it online. Like it's just, it's pure entertainment.
Some of his interviews are very moving. They're very touching. And some of them are just bananas. He was great. And as I said, I can't wait to see what he does next. The final thing I have to tell you before we get into the inbox is on my left wrist, At the moment is the Whoop 5.0 MG as it's always there. And on my right wrist is the new Google Fitbit Air.
So this is a new wearable, obviously enough by Google and Fitbit. Google bought Fitbit a number of years ago. And this is their first wearable that doesn't have a screen. It's been appearing right across my social feeds over the last wee while as the competitor to Whoop. Now, because of media embargoes, I'm not allowed to tell you much about it until the 26th, which is Tuesday of next week.
And I will have... initial first impressions and all the rest for you then. But essentially, it's a fitness tracker. It's going back to that notion of being a fitness tracker rather than a smartwatch. And out of the box, I can tell you that the band is much thinner than the Whoop. The device itself that has the sensor is much smaller than the Whoop.
And all of this, again, you can see if you look at any of the unboxing videos that exist on social media. And yeah, obviously, I'm doing a side by side comparison of the Whoop and the Fitbit Air because the Fitbit Air is 99 euro, whereas Whoop is more expensive and you also need to subscribe to get the full impact of it. So it is more expensive. The Whoop is more expensive.
But as I've said previously, I love the Whoop. So I'll be interested to share my thoughts with you over the next wee while in comparing the two devices. But if you have any questions or queries, again, the email is techtalkatnewstalk.com. And speaking of that, let's jump in to the inbox and see what we have here now.
So the first one this week is from John, who says, I'm seeking some guidance as my three mobile contract ends on June 6th. Thank you very much. Okay, so John, thank you very much for the level of detail because that does help give a more specific recommendation. So what I would say is there's absolutely better value out there.
If you want to stick with the 3 family, so 48 is 3's digital mobile network and they would be significantly cheaper and operate obviously on the 3 network. So that could be something to look at. The one that I'm always recommending is Gomo. So gomo.ie if you go on there, it's 15 quid a month and you get your calls, text data. You can then buy a phone outright.
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Chapter 7: What role do soft skills play in today's job market?
So if your iPhone 14 is doing you for another year or two years, awesome. At that stage, then go and buy a refurbished phone. It'll cost you three or four hundred euro. Pay for that outright out of the money that you've saved by consistently reducing your phone bill by 40 quid a month. So I do hope that helps. Let me know if you do it and how it goes for you.
Next up, we have an email here from Emma and it's in a similar vein. It's great. It makes my heart so happy that so many of you are on the move. She says, Hi, Jess, looking for some advice, please. So I keep hearing you recommend switching from bill pay to a digital network. Guilty. I've been with three for years and I'm out of contract with my bill pay plan each month.
It's costing a lot around 45 to 50 euro. I'd like to stay with the three network as I know they have good reception. Which would you recommend? Tesco Mobile or 48? My phone is for personal, not business. I would like more data as I keep exceeding my data some months on my current bill plan. Any advice would be great. I'm probably looking at getting another bill pay.
plan I've lost the ability to speak stunning so I would look at 48 because they are the their threes digital mobile network so if you know you have the coverage that'll do the job I'm just on the website here now so for let's just have a quick look through here now so for £9.99 a month
for the first six months, you're getting unlimited 5G data, you're getting 500 minutes, sorry, 5,000 minutes, 5,000 texts and 20 gigs of EU and UK roaming. After the first six months, it goes up to 12.99 a month. So again, you're saving a significant chunk of change by making the move. You know the network does the job for you. It's very simple.
You can simply go onto their website, order the SIM, you activate the SIM and then you're laughing. The way it works is it's a 30-day rolling contract. So if for whatever reason you don't like it, you can just cancel after 30 days. And then jump on over to another, go back to three if you wanted.
But I've heard great things about 48 because again, it's using that same mobile network that you like. So I do hope that helps. And finally for this week, we have an email here from Antoinette who says, Hi Jess, I have several old tablets and mobile phones that are quite old. I cannot restart them to check such arrays, any content that might still be on them.
Can you advise the best way to dispose of these environmentally and also be sure that data cannot be retrieved on them? Many thanks. Yes, Anne, this is a really good question and I think it's a good time of year for people who are doing that spring clean kind of vibe.
So yes, if you go into, so say they're Google devices, if you go into your Google account and if you can find the device and you can erase the data remotely and you can delete, you can disassociate it from your account,
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