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3 simple ways to build stronger relationships at work | Alyssa Birnbaum

01 Oct 2025

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Chapter 1: What are the key reasons for building stronger relationships at work?

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You're listening to TED Talks Daily, where we bring you new ideas to spark your curiosity every day. I'm your host, Elise Hugh. When we think of work today and the qualities we should have as workers, many of us are taught to focus solely on output, being efficient and having specific skills over understanding how to effectively communicate and interact.

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In this talk, organizational psychologist Alyssa Birnbaum shares her research on the profound impact that high-quality connections in the workplace have. can have and why paying more attention to positive relationships can fundamentally change ourselves, our well-being, and our productivity.

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I remember the stomach flutters before my first performance review and my first job out of college. To say I was overeager to perform is an understatement. I was grinding. I worked around the clock. I spent hours finessing my PowerPoints, took meticulous meeting notes, and never missed a deadline, which is why I felt completely blindsided when I actually received my review.

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My boss sat me down and told me that I needed to work on connecting better with my clients and building relationships with them. Apparently, Nobody knew anything about me. Building relationships with my clients, that's what they cared about? I couldn't understand when I was working so hard to deliver quality work.

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And I wish I could say I underwent some immediate transformation where I became some fabulous connector and lived happily ever after. But in truth, I didn't really know what to do and I fumbled for a few more years. My clients were remote most of the time. I wasn't working with them and I didn't know how to relate to them because they were so much younger than me.

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It was years later that I was pursuing my PhD and like the old saying goes, research is MeSearch. And my initial MeSearch focused on burnout and work engagement because I knew what it was like to experience burnout. And what was surprising to me was that I always assumed that burnout was just the result of having too much work and feeling really depleted from too much work.

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But in fact, there's so many other factors that can play a role. And an important one was community and connection. People can be burnt out because they feel disrespected, unsupported, and disconnected from their colleagues. This stood out to me. I had always focused on work output and things that would produce actual revenue and quality work for a company.

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And this was conditioned by my years of schooling, where I was rewarded with good grades because I put in the effort and I worked hard. But in truth, work is full of real flesh and bone people who want to feel connected. And they do their best work when they feel like they're fully engaged, like their work truly matters, and like they're doing something bigger than just themselves.

Chapter 2: How does burnout affect workplace relationships?

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You felt like you truly cared. You felt mutually connected. And when you left, you felt a little more energized and uplifted. And it didn't necessarily need to be a happy experience. It could have been about something difficult and raw, but you felt more bound together. That's a high quality connection.

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And I was curious about whether having higher quality connections throughout the day led to higher levels of engagement at the end of the day. And what I found was fascinating. Yes, it did lead to higher levels of engagement, but it didn't matter how many interactions you had or how long you spent in those interactions.

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So if you spent your entire day having high quality interactions with different people or just one high quality connection with one person, you still tended to feel more engaged. I was also curious about the way that people were interacting.

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I wanted to know if you needed to be in person face-to-face in order to have these deep, meaningful connections, because previous researchers suggest that you do need to be in person in order to have those deep connections. So I asked people how they interacted. Were you in person and face-to-face? Were you video conferencing with the camera on? Or were you chatting through audio?

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And audio could be a phone call, it could be video conferencing with the camera off. And what I found was that there was no difference between in-person connections and video conferencing with the camera on. So in other words, if we're chatting face to face, or if we're chatting through video conferencing and we can see each other, we're able to connect in a similar way.

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Only audio interactions produce lower quality connections. And third, and this was surprising and something I wasn't even looking for, but the final thing I found was the effect of burnout. People who are burnt out, it had a tremendous effect on whether they were even able to engage in quality connections. And that does make sense because people who are burnt out tend to withdraw.

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Whereas people who are connecting, you need to put in that effort. So burnt-out individuals had a hard time even making those high-quality connections. So my research showed that having high-quality connections is very important for engagement.

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And a recent study from McKinseyandLeanIn.org found that about 60% of in-person workers, employees, tended to experience connectivity compared to fewer than 20% of remote and hybrid workers. So how do we build these connections in a remote environment or at all? So here's the advice I would have given 22-year-old me who was fumbling to make connections.

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Number one is expand or aiming for more expansive dialogue. It helps you go beyond these polite greetings and helps you dig a bit more beneath the surface. And there are two ways that you can do this. One is to ask expansive, open-ended questions, and the other is to answer questions expansively.

Chapter 3: What research supports the importance of connections in remote work?

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So, for instance, I could say, well, my neighbors were making fun of me this morning when I was walking my dog wearing my big puffer jacket when it was in the mid-50s. Is it cold by you? So what that does is that encourages them to open up because they've now learned a little bit more about you. They have more insight into your life and now they're more open to sharing about their own.

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Number two is overlap or finding things in common. As human beings, we like to feel like we belong and having things in common with one another helps us bond. When I was younger, I used to think that being in the same life stage was a prerequisite for having things in common, but it's just not true.

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Maybe you're both cat people, or you both love country music, you both went gorilla trekking in Uganda, or you're both just sick and tired of hearing about politics on the news. It may take some time to uncover these commonalities, But asking questions and using the visual cues you have, even if it's just through their video screen, can help.

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And you can do this in reverse, using your background as a way for other people to learn more about you and find commonalities with you. So especially if you're a remote worker, think of your background as a conversation starter. You can have photos of travel or your pets. You could have artwork or books that you love, anything that could prompt conversation and engagement.

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All of these things can help people find things in common and help you bond. Third, and this is one of the most important ones, is caring and showing that you truly care and that you appreciate the other person that you're conversing with.

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If you're on your phone or scrolling through your computer and the other person's talking to you, it signals that whatever's on your screen is much more important than your conversation with them.

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On the flip side, if you're listening attentively, you're nodding, you're asking questions related to what they're asking, what they're talking about, you're laughing at their jokes, you're nodding, you're taking notes, you're fully engaging, That signals that you appreciate them and you care. And these types of interactions, they energize people.

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They boost their self-esteem and they make them feel closer to you. So expand, overlap, and care. These are three things that can help you build stronger connections with others. But none of them are effective unless they are done authentically. And this is, for most people, the hardest part.

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But just like you notice when someone's nodding but clearly not listening, complimenting you but clearly doesn't mean it, or asking you questions but couldn't care less about your answer, others notice when you're doing it back. You have to dig deep, not just going through the motions or thinking of it as a checklist, but truly figuring out how to care. leaders have an additional responsibility.

Chapter 4: How can we create high-quality connections in a remote environment?

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That was Alyssa Birnbaum at TEDxClaremount Graduate University in California in 2024. If you're curious about TED's curation, find out more at TED.com slash curation guidelines. And that's it for today. TED Talks Daily is part of the TED Audio Collective.

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This talk was fact-checked by the TED Research Team and produced and edited by our team, Martha Estefanos, Oliver Friedman, Brian Green, Lucy Little, and Tansika Sangmarnivong. This episode was mixed by Christopher Faisy-Bogan. Additional support from Emma Taubner and Daniela Balarezo. I'm Elise Hugh. I'll be back tomorrow with a fresh idea for your feed. Thanks for listening.

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