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AI is dangerous, but not for the reasons you think | Sasha Luccioni

31 Oct 2023

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

3.035 - 21.653 Elise Hu

You're listening to TED Talks Daily. I'm your host, Elise Hu. The possibilities for AI are vast. We've spent so much of this year reading and learning about them and trying AI tools for ourselves. AI ethics researcher, Sasha Luciani, doesn't want us to forget AI's impacts on people and the planet.

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22.273 - 29.16 Elise Hu

In her 2023 talk from TED Women, she talks through how to build a moral and sustainable future with AI. After the break.

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32.06 - 49.888 Sasha Luccioni

So I've been an AI researcher for over a decade. And a couple of months ago, I got the weirdest email of my career. A random stranger wrote to me saying that my work in AI is going to end humanity. Now, I get it. AI is so hot right now.

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51.871 - 73.002 Sasha Luccioni

It's in the headlines pretty much every day, sometimes because of really cool things like discovering new molecules for medicine or that dope pope in the white puffer coat. But other times, the headlines have been really dark, like that chatbot telling that guy that he should divorce his wife, or that AI meal planner app proposing a crowd-pleasing recipe featuring chlorine gas.

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74.404 - 84.257 Sasha Luccioni

And in the background, we've heard a lot of talk about doomsday scenarios, existential risk and the singularity, with letters being written and events being organized to make sure that doesn't happen.

Chapter 2: What are the current negative impacts of AI on society and the planet?

85.402 - 109.995 Sasha Luccioni

Now, I'm a researcher who studies AI's impacts on society, and I don't know what's going to happen in 10 or 20 years, and nobody really does. But what I do know is that there's some pretty nasty things going on right now, because AI doesn't exist in a vacuum. It is part of society, and it has impacts on people and the planet. AI models can contribute to climate change.

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110.496 - 122.708 Sasha Luccioni

Their training data uses art and books created by artists and authors without their consent, and its deployment can discriminate against entire communities. But we need to start tracking its impacts.

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122.728 - 136.722 Sasha Luccioni

We need to start being transparent and disclosing them and creating tools so that people understand AI better, so that hopefully future generations of AI model are going to be more trustworthy, sustainable, maybe less likely to kill us, if that's what you're into.

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137.9 - 152.466 Sasha Luccioni

But let's start with sustainability, because that cloud that AI models live on is actually made out of metal, plastic and powered by vast amounts of energy. And each time you query an AI model, it comes with a cost to the planet.

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153.526 - 169.392 Sasha Luccioni

Last year, I was part of the Big Science Initiative, which brought together a thousand researchers from all over the world to create Bloom, the first open, large-language model like Jachet BT, but with an emphasis on ethics, transparency and consent.

169.372 - 186.823 Sasha Luccioni

And the study I led that looked at Bloom's environmental impacts found that just training it used as much energy as 30 homes in a whole year and emitted 25 tons of carbon dioxide, which is like driving your car five times around the planet, just so somebody can use this model to tell a knock-knock joke.

187.242 - 211.482 Sasha Luccioni

And this might not seem like a lot, but other similar large-language models like GPT-3 emit 20 times more carbon. But the thing is, tech companies aren't measuring this stuff. They're not disclosing it. And so this is probably only the tip of the iceberg, even if it is a melting one. And in recent years, we've seen AI models balloon in size, because the current trend in AI is bigger is better.

212.123 - 223.678 Sasha Luccioni

But please don't get me started on why that's the case. In any case, we've seen large language models in particular grow 2,000 times in size over the last five years, and of course, their environmental costs are rising as well.

224.148 - 246.105 Sasha Luccioni

The most recent work I led found that switching out a smaller, more efficient model for a larger language model emits 14 times more carbon for the same task, like telling that knock-knock joke. And as we're putting in these models into cell phones and search engines and smart fridges and speakers, the environmental costs are really piling up quickly.

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