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Forget the corporate ladder — winners take risks | Molly Graham (re-release)

27 Sep 2025

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

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29.41 - 42.304 Elise Hu

You're listening to TED Talks Daily, where we bring you new ideas to spark your curiosity every day. I'm your host, Elise Hume. What would it take to inspire you to take a huge leap of faith in your life, even when you're terrified?

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42.845 - 62.262 Elise Hu

In this archive talk, company and community builder Molly Graham breaks down why the path to real success is often one we have to forge for ourselves and offers steps for how to gain the skills to find the opportunity needed to help us take the leap. I attended this talk in person at TED's new flagship conference, TED Next, last year.

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Feeling the energy in that room and the crowd's reaction to every new insight and perspective was infectious, and I met so many people who were inspired by the talk as I was. TED Next is a conference that guides you closer to the version of the future that you're meant for. And I'm so, so excited for this year's TED Next, which is coming up on November 9th through the 11th in Atlanta, Georgia.

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I will be there hosting a session of talks on the last day of the conference. And if you want to experience the thrill of watching these talks in person and enjoying all of the fun and awe-inspiring activities, dinners, and immersive experiences, you can actually join me at TED Next. It's not too late. To learn more, go to ted.com slash dailynext. That's ted.com slash dailynext.

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Hope to see you there. And now, on to Molly Graham's talk.

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There's a lot of pressure around what it takes to build a great career. And it all comes back to this idea that you're supposed to know what you want to do. It's an idea that I like to call the stairs. Here's how the stairs go. You show up in college, and you're supposed to know what you want to major in. That major is supposed to lead you to your first job.

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And then you get another job, and you get promoted and promoted and promoted forever. The best part about the stairs is safety and security. It feels like you know what you need to do to get ahead. The worst part of the stairs is that it's like a weird video game that you can get stuck inside of for years. The stairs will make you feel like your self-worth is tied to your title.

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or your last performance rating or your next promotion. But the truth is that the stairs are an illusion. These days, excellent careers are not built by excellent stair climbers.

Chapter 2: What inspires you to take risks in your career?

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Said differently, one of the most important things you can get good at in your career is taking risks, or, as I like to call it, jumping off cliffs. Let me explain what I mean with a story. When I was 25, I got offered a crazy job.

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I had spent a couple of years climbing the stairs in human resources at Facebook when the leader of another department came to me and asked me to help him start a new project, doing something that I knew nothing about. It was a long-term project, it was risky, and a lot of people told me it would probably fail. I was intrigued, but I was also scared.

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So I talked to a bunch of different people, and I have to admit, a lot of them told me not to take it. But there was this little voice inside me that just kept saying, I wonder. I wonder if I can be capable in this completely new environment. So I took a risk, and I took the job.

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Now, I'd like to say that what happened next was that it was obviously a great decision and I was immediately successful. But actually, the first nine months on this project felt a lot more like falling off of a very steep cliff. I had gone from feeling competent and capable in HR to feeling like an absolute idiot all the time.

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I was sitting in rooms with brilliant people asking very dumb questions. Six months into this job, I got the lowest performance rating of my entire life. I had so many moments when all I wanted to do was run back to the safety and security of the stairs. But about nine months in, something interesting happened. I had to lead a meeting. It sounds simple, but it was a big meeting.

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It was a complicated debate about a nuanced part of this project. I was successful, and I so vividly remember walking out of that meeting feeling like myself again. I had gone from feeling like a beginner in this new environment to feeling confident and capable. I spent another three years on this project, learning and growing, and on the other side of it, I was a completely different person.

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I was offered jobs that no one would have offered me if I had stayed in HR. That's the thing about jumping off cliffs. It doesn't just take you a couple flights up on the stairs. It's like a weird elevator that takes you to a whole new place. Cliff jumps teach you who you are and what you are capable of in ways that the stairs can never.

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To get good at jumping off cliffs, you have to get good at three things. The first is actually jumping off the cliff. After many years of coaching people through career decisions, I know that sometimes it is just not the right time to take a risk. But I can also tell you that most people do not stay stuck on the stairs out of necessity. They stay there out of fear.

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The trick is to learn to tell the difference between the kind of fear that says, I'm scared I might run out of money, which you should actually listen to, and the kind of fear that says, I'm scared I might fail, which you should take as a giant green flashing light to jump. Cliff jumps teach you what you are capable of in spite of fear.

Chapter 3: How does Molly Graham challenge traditional career paths?

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I'm Elise Hugh. I'll be back tomorrow with a fresh idea for your feed. Thanks for listening.

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