Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Happy Sunday, Elise Hu here. Today, we're bringing you a Sunday Pick, where we share an episode of another podcast from TED, handpicked by us for you. Do you feel like work is taking over your life? Today, we're sharing an episode of Fixable to dig into something we all face, burnout.
Guy Winch is a psychologist and author of the book, Mind Over Grind, How to Break Free When Work Hijacks Your Life. In this episode, host Anne Morris sits down with Guy while they're both at TED 2026 to discuss the insidious ways work can follow you home and how to set boundaries to avoid burnout.
They dig into the harmful effects of after-hours rumination, share practical rituals to help you separate work from the rest of your life, and offer tips on how to take a truly restorative vacation. Whatever you're dealing with at work, Fixable is there to help, offering actionable insights to create meaningful change in your life and workplace. Listen to Fixable wherever you get your podcasts.
And if you have a problem you want fixed, you can call their hotline at 234-FIXABLE. That's 234-349-2253 to leave Anne and Frances a voicemail with your workplace problem. Learn more about all of Ted's podcasts at podcasts.ted.com. Now on to the episode right after a quick break.
Welcome, everyone. I'm Anne Morris, and this is Fixable. This is the show where we tackle the problems at work that seem, well, unfixable. Problems like burnout. There was a time when work was a place we went to. Now work follows us home, crawls into bed with us, and hijacks our minds. Today's Master Fixer believes we aren't just working too hard, we're letting our jobs hold our lives hostage.
There's some strong language ahead, folks, and for good reason. Dr. Guy Winch is a psychologist, a best-selling author, and the man behind three TED Talks with over 35 million views. His latest book is Mind Over Grind, How to Break Free When Work Hijacks Your Life. We recorded this conversation at the TED Conference in Vancouver, the birthplace of big ideas and some of your favorite TED Talks.
Guy and I sat down to deconstruct the autopilot state that leads to burnout, the specific brain hacks that can recharge your battery, and why leadership's greatest responsibility isn't quarterly profits, it's protecting the human beings behind the work. Let's dive in. Guy, welcome to Fixable. Please save us from ourselves.
Thank you for having me.
I want to start with this idea of work hijacking our lives, which is such a vivid framing of the problem.
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Chapter 2: What are the insidious ways work can follow you home?
How do I know if work has hijacked life? What does it look and feel like in practice when this happens?
So some of it we know, but a lot of it we don't realize that's what's actually going on.
For example, when you come home after a very challenging, difficult day at work because this irritating thing happened and that frustrating thing happened and that really stressful thing happened, it's going to be very natural for you to ruminate about it, to brood about it, to dwell about it, to replay certain things after work when you're home, to have fantasy arguments about
about turning someone off and all the mic drop moments you envision having, which you'll never have because you're never going to do it. But that can take hours out of our evening. That's one of the ways work will hijack our thoughts, for example. There's research that shows that if one person is very stressed at work, their partner can develop symptoms of burnout.
One of the ways work will hijack our relationships. Work also hijacks our leisure, our coping time.
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Chapter 3: How does after-hours rumination contribute to burnout?
our emotional intelligence, on and on and on.
Tell me some of the warning signs to look for in ourselves and our loved ones.
So one of the warning signs to look for in yourself, you know, at work, for example, is do you approach your very difficult work days of I need to get through. This is the day I need to get through. You just put your head down on autopilot and you go from task to task to task. You're not actually thinking in any deliberate or intentional way about, well, how do I manage this day?
How do I build in some actual useful breaks? Right. non-useful ones, i.e. social media. And so that, you know, that's one thing when you just feel like days that you have to get through, weeks, periods, entire periods you have to get through.
Chapter 4: What practical rituals can help separate work from personal life?
That's a warning sign. When you get home and you're not really present, you're checked out, you really have trouble switching off or the opposite thing. And that all you can think to do is I need to veg out for four to five hours because I'm drained. Let me just Plop myself on the couch and binge screens for however long.
That's another sign that something is going wrong because that's not a very helpful thing to do.
And why is that not just recovery from a hard day's work? How do I know when it tips into this idea of burnout?
Well, first of all, those are two different questions. I want to answer one at a time. Recovery, actually, the science of how to recover from the workday is a little bit more than just resting. That's one component, and there are two others that you really need to hit. Resting will prevent your batteries from being depleted further, but it won't recharge them.
To recharge them, you actually have to do an activity that you find personally recharging. None of those happen on the couch.
Unless we get a little bit more creative with the couch. Yeah, it's not happening.
Yes, you can get creative with the couch and those are recharging things that can happen. But other than those, most things you need to do in a way that, you know, the kinds of activities you feel like, oh, I don't feel like doing that. But when you force yourself, you come back with a second wind. because they actually recharge you.
And the third thing is you need to feel autonomy, like you are in control of your time. And again, if you're mindless on a couch watching screens, you're likely to wake up feeling tired the next day. Burnout is a different thing that we can talk about.
Yeah, I want to get to the definition and then we're going to get to some solutions. So you described kind of an autopilot mode at work. I'm coming home. I'm not reconnecting with the people that I love. Are there any other signs I should look out for?
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Chapter 5: What are the warning signs of burnout to look for?
How critical is it for me to take my two weeks off? And how does this fit into your burnout plan?
Well, there's a whole science about vacations, actually, and how to make them restorative. Shorter vacations are better because the benefits of a vacation start to fade after a week. So if you're taking two or three weeks at once, you're kind of missing out on the benefit of it. So shorter vacations are better. But also give some thought to what you need.
A lot of people who have young kids are like, I am so burnt out. I'm taking the kids to some kind of theme park. And I'm like... And that seems stressful for you. That was the most stressful three days of my life. I know, right? I mean, that's not the right thing. The five-year-olds are not burnt out. You're the one that's burnt out. Now, you need to occupy them, but think of both your needs.
But the biggest advice I have to people is that get to your vacation rested. Everyone likes to work up until the last hour to get ahead and this. I know. I was like that. It took me three to four days to relax enough to be in vacation mode. I was still so hyped up and thinking about work. I couldn't enjoy really. I didn't feel relaxed. Now I relaxed a couple of days before.
I try to end work early, really have restful evenings, pack ahead of time so that I don't have to do it last minute. And it's amazing. When I started doing it, the first day of vacation, I felt rested. I'm like, oh my God, I feel on vacation and it's day one. It usually takes me half the vacation, then it's almost over. So you want to really do that. You want to triple dip on vacations.
Vacations can give you three times the pleasure if you get excited about it as anticipate. You know, like get excited about what you're going to do, who you're going to see, where you're going to see, where you're going to go. You know, don't get too much spoilers in, right? If you're going to the Eiffel Tower, don't look at the panoramic views online. Save those spoilers.
But read some of the history, get excited, get the kids excited about the animals they're going to see in the animal park, whatever the thing is. So get the run up. And our brain interprets anticipation almost as good as the event. So you'll feel excited. You'll feel, you know, imagine the beach and the quiet and the sea. And, you know, you'll literally start feeling calm.
Then build in time to document. If you don't, you're going to document instead of being present. I've been to so many places where I see people march in, take pictures and leave. They're not aware of what they saw, why they're there. They didn't get any of the benefit, but they can show it to their friends.
Schedule it and contain it.
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Chapter 6: How can I effectively recover from a stressful workday?
And what came out of my mouth was, And this is my nightmare. And it was funny in my head, but it was so cruel. And he looked at me and he was so offended. And I realized, oh, wow, that was very out of character. It's out of character. When you find yourself, no matter what the situation, doing something that's out of character, be very curious about what's going on because something is going on.
And I went home and I was like, what's going on? And I realized I was burnt out. I realized I felt like I've been doing it for so long. I wasn't enjoying it. I was jaded. I was just going through the motions. And it was one year. But you can get burnt out very, very quickly. And that's what alerted me. And then I realized, oh, wow, I really, really need to make changes.
I am way too early in this. It took me a while to really figure out that I still liked it. But the minute I wasn't burnt out, I'm like, oh, yeah, I love it. But when I was burnt out, I had no idea whether I liked it at all.
Today, fast forward, what are the rituals and practices that you rely on now to not become burnt out?
I use a brain hack that's stupid. Telling you now, it's stupid. But it really works. Our brains, for some reason, take calendars super seriously. If you say it, not so much, but if it's in your calendar, well, it's there. It must mean something. So I will write in my calendar in the evening what the evening is about. And I'll just use an example of one in which there are no plans.
And I'll say, watch TV for two hours because you really, you know, binge the show that you really like for two hours. And then I'll write, enjoy it. That last part is important.
It actually sounds like the opposite of stupid.
Okay. Well, no, it does work. It's smarter that way. But, you know, like, really, right? Enjoy the TV show.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Chapter 7: What strategies can help prevent burnout in the workplace?
The World Health Organization, for example, says that around 750,000 people a year die from overworking. Just they overwork themselves to death. The stakes are high.
Yeah. What advice do you have for people walking into systems like that or industries like that?
First of all, your awareness needs to be higher, but think about what weight people, because people don't challenge it. No one goes to the bosses and says, hey, this is not reasonable. For us, it takes really, you know, literally acts of Congress kind of thing to challenge. But in fact, there could be more of a groundswell.
Stress and burnout in the workplace are at higher levels now in 2026 than they were before the pandemic. Still, it's been five or six years where the workplace remains very unhealthy. It remains unhealthy. There's room for people to organize and say, like, this is not reasonable. This is not OK.
And again, to the employers, I say it benefits you to have healthier employees, both physically and mentally and emotionally. You will get more out of them. You will save money in the long term. You really need to have that long term vision now.
What is your beautiful mind thinking about now after burnout?
I think that I would like to go more towards how leaders and managers, you know, I see they're in the worst straits.
you know, and I see the... Many of them are burnt out trying to solve this problem.
Yeah, look, I talk in the book about a, you know, a major founder of a major company, everyone knows the name, I won't mention it, who got scurvy working on a startup. Scurvy is what the sailors got in 18th century, you know, when they were like sailing for 20 months because vitamin C, the deficiency is what creates... Flintstones vitamin would have saved that person.
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