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The fine art of fibbing | Athena Kugblenu

06 Jun 2025

11 min duration
1572 words
3 speakers
06 Jun 2025
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Comedian and writer Athena Kugblenu has a hot take: we’re all liars, and that’s OK. Exploring the line between the little lies that do no harm and the big, self-serving whoppers you’d best avoid, she offers a crucial question to ask yourself to help determine if honesty is the best policy — or if a fib might best fit the situation.For a chance to give your own TED Talk, fill out the Idea Search Application: ted.com/ideasearch.Interested in learning more about upcoming TED events? Follow these links:TEDNext: ted.com/futureyouTEDSports: ted.com/sportsTEDAI Vienna: ted.com/ai-viennaTEDAI San Francisco: ted.com/ai-sf Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

7.118 - 28.729 Elise Hume

You're listening to TED Talks Daily, where we bring you new ideas and conversations to spark your curiosity every day. I'm your host, Elise Hume. We all tell little white lies sometimes. Is that okay? This comedic talk is all about, well, lying. Comedian, writer, and podcaster Athena Kugblenu lays it all out for us.

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28.989 - 41.968 Elise Hume

The good lies, the honest lies, the silly lies, the important lies, and of course, the bad ones are thrown in there too. I won't give anything else away. I'll just say, honestly, this isn't one to miss.

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49.238 - 77.997 Unknown

I could not live without a lion.

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80.187 - 99.475 Athena Kugblenu

I'm British. If you ask me how I am, I will always say, I'm fine. I could have just stubbed my toe. I could have lost all my money on cryptocurrency. But don't worry, I'm fine.

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Chapter 2: What are the different types of lies we tell?

101.158 - 137.953 Athena Kugblenu

It's not just us. Absolutely no one on this planet could live without lying. Imagine telling the truth when your doctor asks you how much alcohol you drink. In a week, on average. I'll give you a figure, but it will be my weekend average. I told you, I'm British. We drink our alcohol in pint glasses. If you don't know what a pint glass is, it's a glass you can fit your fist into,

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140.363 - 170.05 Athena Kugblenu

Lying is useful. It can keep us in denial of our responsibilities. It can help us avoid protracted conversations we don't want to have. Sometimes, lying is the right thing to do. God forbid you should ever find me underneath the wheels of a bus. For goodness sake, do not tell me the truth. Tell me for a fact you know that I'm going to be OK.

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171.177 - 183.01 Athena Kugblenu

Okay, don't accurately list all the bones in my body that are broken. Tell me that I am going to make it to watch the next Avatar movie. Give me hope.

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183.344 - 210.128 Athena Kugblenu

We tend to think of lying as something bad people do to manipulate us when they want us to believe something that isn't true, when most of the time, for the day-to-day lies, it's just nice, ordinary people lying because in that moment, it's easier than telling the truth. For example, oh, I'll be there in five minutes. When you haven't left the house yet, have you? LAUGHTER

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212.875 - 237.893 Athena Kugblenu

Oh, this is a good one. I've read the terms and conditions. No one reads the terms and conditions. I've got a three-year-old and a five-year-old. Kids that age, I don't know why, they don't like to brush their teeth. So to get my kids to brush their teeth, I say, do you want me to throw your iPad in the bin? Do you want me to put it in the bin? It's a lie.

238.213 - 249.925 Athena Kugblenu

I'm not going to put their iPad in the bin. But there's two stereotypes about British people. One about the state of our teeth. And one about the state of our drinking.

Chapter 3: Why do we find it necessary to lie sometimes?

250.486 - 279.701 Athena Kugblenu

I only want them to fall into one of those stereotypes. So I lie to get them to brush their teeth, and it works. And of course it's a lie. I'm not going to put the iPad in the bin. No warranty will give me my money back because my kids are naughty. and it's my iPad, I think the trick is to ask this question. Am I lying for my good or for someone else's good? I wrote a children's book about lies.

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280.202 - 306.583 Athena Kugblenu

I combed history for lies that are well-established as untrue because I wanted to find that line between the kind of lie we tell every day and the kind of lie we'd like to distance ourselves from. the kind of lie that you might tell a bride when you say, I love the bridesmaid dress you chose. It's just my color. It's hideous. But that's a good lie. It's not about you. It's about the bride.

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306.703 - 338.294 Athena Kugblenu

It's her day. She should have the dress that she wants. Or the kind of lie you tell to the elderly billionaire you're about to marry when you say you love them. That's a bad lie. You should not get married for money. You should get married for a Netflix password. I think it's the selfish lies we need to deal with. The kind of lies that might make people money.

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338.955 - 368.28 Athena Kugblenu

The kind of lies that might harm others. The kind of lies that might win people votes. We need to get better at distinguishing between the acceptable lies and the unacceptable lies. And the way to do this is to get fib literate. Want to be qualified in fibs? Ask yourself this question when you're given the opportunity to lie or when you've been given information and you're not sure it's true.

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368.497 - 395.469 Athena Kugblenu

Ask yourself, who will benefit? Some examples, you get home late, you're tired, your partner was supposed to put the bins out. They have not. Worse, they're going to go out, and you're going to have to do the job yourself. And before they leave, they ask you, are you mad? You're furious, you're incensed, but you say, I'm not mad. That could be a good lie, okay?

395.489 - 415.615 Athena Kugblenu

They can take the bins out next week, it's not a big deal. You're furious because you're tired, it's not a big deal. That's a good lie. Who benefits from that lie? Both of you in that relationship. Another example, you've gone out with your friend, you've gone to the club, your friend has driven. Whilst in the club, they've drunk five pints of wine.

419.56 - 441.686 Athena Kugblenu

On the way out of the club, they say, I'm good to drive. It's okay. It's a short drive. We barely have to do two right turns. It's not a problem. I'll get you home. That is a bad lie. Okay? Who's going to benefit from that lie? Nobody. That could harm others. the key to fib literacy is to apply the question, who will benefit to any scenario? Take the mortgage crisis.

442.728 - 472.326 Athena Kugblenu

Who benefited when lenders believed what the borrowers were telling them? Who benefited when everyone believed the lenders when they acted vicious and said, oh, we're fine, nothing to see here? The lies were building up like dirty laundry until the stench became too bad to ignore or take smoking. Who benefited when they lied about our ill health? They made smoking look so cool with their lies.

472.367 - 499.805 Athena Kugblenu

Imagine that picture of Audrey Hepburn in that iconic picture from Breakfast at Tiffany's with a vape. We wouldn't change that cigarette for anything, but it's still a bad lie. The act of lying is a necessity that we need to use, and it's an act of social grace. Oh, I love that present you bought me, thank you. Your cooking tastes delicious. We're actually very skillful in deceit.

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