Episode 200: Max Richter

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How does Max Richter view the evolution of musical storytelling across history?

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Max Richter 1:10
I feel like composers have always been looking for new ways to tell stories, like new colours for the palette. So all through the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, you know, the orchestra gets bigger 'cause they invent new instruments, the brass section gets bigger, the winds get bigger, more strings. The piano keyboard gets longer the longer Beethoven lives, you know, he wants like more. Bath was I mean a pioneer of so many things. And I mean if you look at his organ music, his organ music is all about like new colours and enlarging like the emotional potential of the instrument. It's also like heavy metal. Like every Bach organ piece, doesn't matter what key it's in, has got a bottom C in it, 'cause that's like the biggest sound in the organ.
Max Richter 2:01
And you can feel it in the writing. You know, it's a lot about sensation actually, kind of physical sensation. Obviously it's amazingly put together and the counterpoint's incredible and everything, but it's also about like physical impact. How
Rick Rubin 2:16
different
Max Richter 2:17
was
Rick Rubin 2:18
organ music pre Bach?
Max Richter 2:20
A bit different. I mean you've got sort of Bookstehude and people like that and sort of slightly earlier. But I think what's what's amazing about Bach is that he sort of puts it all together. You know, he sorts out all the tuning systems so we can play in like all twelve keys properly. He organises all of these disparate kind of materials which are around kind of before him. Yeah, he's extraordinary. Did
Rick Rubin 2:46
you always approach music with an open palate?
Max Richter 2:49
Yeah, you know, I mean I think we we become musicians 'cause we fall in love with music, right? That's why. And you don't fall in love with like one thing, you fall in love with like the whole the whole thing. So for me, I always felt like you know, the differentiation between like pop music and classical music or electronic music, classical m I just felt like those separations were not real. They were just imaginary constructs, you know, we know because people aren't like that. People aren't in boxes. You know, we're a spectrum. We're a sort of continuity across our affections, our enthusiasms, things we love, things we don't love. I kind of always thought, yeah, this this seems weird to me. You know, this idea that, you know, thou shalt not use, you know, whatever that instrument
Max Richter 3:40
And so, you know, when I was a kid, I was interested, you know, in classical music. You know, that was in a way going back to when I was three, you know, I fell in love. I had a kind of a you know, a lightning bolt moment. But at the same time I was always listening to what was going on in in pop music as well.
Rick Rubin 3:58
But classical music has been a thread from the beginning for you?
Max Richter 4:02
Yes. I have a few memories from when we still lived in Germany. So that was before I was well, probably I was in my third year. My parents were musicians but they had a few records, you know. And hearing this record of the Bach double Valentin shed, so that kind of fused with the sensation of sunlight sort of falling in through the window and hearing this amazing melodies and having this intuition that The melodies were amazing, but there was like a governing principle, there was like a grammar which was making them affect me the way they did. And I became like passionately interested in discovering what that was. You know, what is that secret code that makes these sounds add up to something more? Yeah, that was it
Rick Rubin 4:51
for me really. If you can play two simple phrases and one If you never heard it again, you wouldn't think twice. And another one sticks in your head and creates some sense of emotion in the body.
Max Richter 5:03
Yeah. How
Rick Rubin 5:04
does that work?
Max Richter 5:05
Well, it's a mystery, right? I mean it's funny, you know, 'cause at various points, you know, especially like when you're younger, you think, I understand this music thing. You know, I've got it, I know what I know what's going on. But actually, you know, I've been doing this for decades now and it becomes more mysterious all the time. You know, I know how how how many counterpoint work, I know how things work, but there's something really magical and spontaneous in a the way a piece of music can affect you.

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