That UFO Podcast
Grusch on Capitol Hill: Biologics, Plasmoids & the Next Disclosure Push
11 Jun 2026
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Chapter 1: What were Andy's initial thoughts after the Capitol Hill press conference?
Hi everyone, welcome back to That UFO Podcast. My name is Andy and for those of you on YouTube, I'm just doing a quick post-press conference thoughts to be honest. Obviously I was on with the guys from the Doomer Friday crew, Clint, Dan Cleary, Xander and Pavel. Make sure you check out those guys' podcasts and shows. But yeah...
curious on people's thoughts on that so we've had the event um from grush and co on the steps of capitol hill i know there's votes and stuff going on today um Yeah, it went by pretty quickly. I think it lasted, what, half an hour at most. We had James Fox was the first thing I saw. We came into the stream as he was speaking. James Fox done an introduction.
We then had Anaplina Luna, who gave a kind of short piece around the work they have been doing and why they're frustrated.
i'm a little lost on Luna at the minute personally and this is literally me thinking off the top of my head folks here so apologies this i wasn't planning on doing this but i've just got some thoughts um because on one hand Luna's part of this driving force isn't she um where she is helping get videos out helping get files out as part of these releases and it seemed like we were going to get stuff we had Burleson, Birchit, Grush and others all tell us that the
more andy yes please thanks terence um you had those guys all saying in the news over weeks and grush before the releases came out that he wasn't happy with what was going to come and what was going to come wasn't smoking gun i'm paraphrasing him here but it wasn't what was going to be required to really move things forward he had seen the videos but then luna in the last week is telling us that you know the meat and potatoes of what they have is out but everyone else is saying it's not
I'm a bit confused sometimes with where Luna is and how much she knows versus how much she regurgitates and I really don't mean that as an attack on Luna I appreciate some of the stuff she's doing but yeah so that Luna kind of spoke very briefly Burleson then came forward and bear in mind there was a whole stage full of people and I don't know if we missed anything on the live feed but like Peter Scafish was there Jordan Flowers so Peter Scafish Sol Foundation Jordan from Disclosure Foundation
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Chapter 2: What were the key statements made by David Grush during the event?
Geoffrey Nusatelli, Whistleblower were all in the background, none of them spoke Burleson made some comments pretty good around there's been more progress in the last couple of years than there has been in a topic in decades I think most folks would probably agree with that, is that right? Yeah He said that this is the age of disclosure.
Nice soundbite, to be fair, and I think we need some of that for what I think is going to be important for the news media. I'm just making a note to bring that up going forward. And pleading with President Donald Trump to grant immunity and to waive all those NDAs that people have signed over the years to talk about this subject.
Whistleblower protections are very much a big, big part of this, it sounded like, for them and for those guys to try and push forward. Burchett came on and was very much the Tim Burchett I think most people know. Burchett basically was talking about... People with man buns being an issue, and by that he was getting, I think, at the kind of... How do you say this without offending anyone?
The meek... I think he used the word meek, didn't he? The kind of folks that don't really know what they're doing, that are holding this back, people telling the president and others what they can and can't do, which on one hand seems a bit counterintuitive, given... Trump, what he's doing in Iran is a war, but it's not a war, it's a military operation, all that stuff.
But Burchett was just saying he's a bit pissed off with a lot of this, but there is better stuff out there.
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Chapter 3: How did the participants address whistleblower protections?
And we, yeah, meek pansies, that was the wording he used. We had that said. So maybe a bit less soundbitey for the mainstream media, but I think for those in UFO world, it raised a smile.
Jock McFrosty making the point yeah it'll be interesting to see how this lands here in the UK if indeed it does at all yeah I'd be intrigued to see and I'm going to come to the going forward from this Jared Moskowitz came forward and there was a really nice moment where Burchett who's a Republican
brought Moskowitz to speak and they had a kind of friendly jokey exchange where Burchett was like he's a really good friend of mine and Moskowitz was like oh god that'll be used in my campaign against me now and Burchett was like oh sorry yeah I hate you you're awful and it's just like sometimes you forget in amongst all of all of the fighting and the politics and everything else
these people are human for the most part some of them are debatable but it was just a nice to see that little interaction and people can put political differences aside which I'm all for I'm genuinely not a big political guy right but I get it and I have individual conversations with folks who get in touch with me all the time from the podcast on this topic um but I just like to hear everyone's points of views and some I can say don't agree agree disagree whatever um
so yeah but it was a really nice moment that just to see the two totally put that aside and this is non-partisan yeah Leslie Kane oh sorry Moskowitz mentioned about advanced technology and that this is the time to disclose the time is now so there really was a pressing you know this is the time aspect of this
Leslie Kane came forward and she focused on biologics the non-human biologics and the importance of declassifying any evidence that the US government or entities have on retrieved biologics of course she finally then introduced David Grush who said a whole load of things I'll need to go back and watch it because I've only seen it live as it happened
He did mention being, I'd written down exposed to adversarial reverse engineering programs. That wasn't correct. I believe what he said was he was exposed to intelligence that adversaries had on US reverse engineering programs, which was interesting. I doubt we're going to get much more on that from him.
he made the statement that scientific information on the universe is unlawful to be classified and that's really true I think that's a big one here that at the end of the day I'm trying to think really big picture here
We have this truth, or all these truths, that are more than... And the length and breadth of the UFO topic, whatever may or may not be true, forgive the lisp that appeared out of nowhere, I'm very tired today because I was in London for the Disclosure Day premiere.
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Chapter 4: What insights did Leslie Kane provide about non-human biologics?
But yeah, the... The idea that we have entities and folks and people and groups keeping from us all of these truths that we are not alone, that there is this other technology, there are these other entities, all that kind of stuff is criminal. And that's Grush's literal point. This is criminal and it's unlawful. You can hide all the secret military technology you're developing.
All that stuff can be hidden. The stuff you've filmed us, for example, when you're filming, when the US is spying on a Russian naval fleet,
and they just happen to encounter a ufo you can hide all that you can show just bits and pieces of the videos but even then you can keep those videos to yourself there are other videos um of course he mentioned um pages and australian document that's been declassified i've not got to read that yet people have sent me the link so thank you for that i will go through that too um and i'm going to mention right now just because i'm doing this off the cuff thursday i'm interviewing jeremy corbell so a few folks had asked about that
and Friday I'm interviewing Richard Dolan so my next two interviews that will drop are Jeremy Corbell and then Richard Dolan
if you're a member of the channel you'll have both of those over the weekend if you're not a member you'll have corbell on friday and you'll have richard dolan on monday and they should be decent length interviews as well i'm hoping 90 minutes to two hours for both of them and with those guys i've waited quite a long time and i'm really fortunate those guys are able to do stuff like that for me so if you sign up to memberships and stuff you'll get them early otherwise you will get them you just have to wait to monday for richard dolan
but great timing to speak to those so if you've got questions or things you want put to them send them over with those types of shows it can be hard sometimes to do direct listener questions because i will get hundreds but if you send over avenues of attack things you want discussed when i see loads of people rack them up i'll try and include those in to see what everyone kind of wants to hear from them and but of course this will be a big talking point um
And Grush mentioned disclosure should not depend on leaks. And I think that's maybe what Grush is making the point recently around that the videos and the stuff coming out and the releases weren't particularly of interest to him. I think he's like, if something's leaked, then it's not going to be the best of stuff.
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Chapter 5: What did Grush mean by the spectrum of life including sentient plasmoids?
So maybe that's Grush's point, maybe not, I don't know, but that's what I'm kind of taking from it. I'm going to come to Dan Simms' question in just a second as well. But yeah, I think that the big takeaway for me out of this one for Grush, and I'm curious what other folks were, was the mention of,
the length and breadth of various different entities I've got it down here someone on the chat posted it around okay he was asked a question about the different types of life and it was hard to hear the questions that wasn't just our feed the audience obviously wasn't mic'd up and it was quite impromptu When he was asked about types of life, Grush said, I certainly don't have the compendium.
It's a continuum from corporeal bipedal life. So, you know, two legs to, you know, what I would consider as like sentient plasmoid life. But there are several that the US government is aware of. So that was a really big statement. Grush going a little bit further. He's talked about biologics, non-human biologics, pilots, you know, potentially bits of pilots being retrieved.
to now talking about specific types across a spectrum of life that the US government is aware of and it's I suppose what you would want to know and I'd love to speak to Grush or see Grush back on one of the big ones like Rogan or something but really
get the questions nailed down to like how do you know that how do the US government know about these types of life are these reports are these um rumors are they literally we retrieved these are they we have encountered these I would love to know that's that's really interesting for me um so yeah what I'm curious of going forward from this and I suppose these are just my immediate thoughts
where does it go now because I made the point on the live with the guys there that you've got the 300 people watching by the way thank you make sure you hit the like button on this kind of stuff this is so impromptu but if you like this stuff which people seem to then makes a difference if you hit like and comment on the main video you know come on like I say fucking small children get millions of likes on these things so give us a like give us a comment call me a dick in the comment tell me what you think of my hair
Do what you like.
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Chapter 6: How does the media's coverage affect the disclosure narrative?
All helps. All good for the algorithm. But how do the news media pick this up? Because a lot of what they're saying here, I don't see that them standing on the steps of the Capitol and saying all this makes much of a difference to Trump directly because they can do this in the background to Trump. They can speak to Trump. They've got ways to speak to Trump, especially the congressmen and women.
They can do that. And I'm sure Grush can too through them. so for me this seems a public play deliberately but to who?
so is it about the yeah i did catch a bit about meeting with the white house yeah brandon yeah um but again they don't have to do all this publicly so for me is this a dog and pony show for the media to get the media to pick up these sound bites the media to go to trump to go to vance and to speak at press conferences and ask about this um
yeah I think this is very much for that group to try and get this back into the mainstream because that second drop never really hit the same as the first Terence asking did you get a sense of seriousness and urgency here seems like they're trying to get ahead of something thanks mate can't wait for the legend Richard Dolan thanks Terence yeah so perhaps obviously Grush mentioned a few weeks ago
that there was for him going to be big progress in 60 to 90 days this is less than 30 days on from that those comments I believe at this point so for me yeah there's more coming down the pipeline but what I don't know
but again is this just shaping and preparing media for what may or may not come Chosen Legacy hi from Whitby Ontario Canada very cool to have you all in here got folks from Texas and I'm sure all over as well some of the stuff I've starred from earlier and just to get through Ziggy asked what do you think will happen to SpaceX if this stuff comes out since they are going public
That's an interesting one. Richard Dolan and Bryce Zabel co-wrote and co-authored a book called After Disclosure.
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Chapter 7: What future developments are expected in the disclosure movement?
Many of you will not know that. Some of you will. In joke there, folks. And that kind of stuff gets talked about, you know, what happens after.
And I've spoke to Dolan about this and probably will do again on Friday around the boring stuff that happens after disclosure, as in what happens to life insurance policies, what happens to the price of flights, you know, all that kind of stuff that is going to be massively, massively affected. Yeah.
SpaceX has the monopoly I suppose right now in a lot of ways that blue origin is it blue origin the Jeff Bezos Katy Perry vehicle they are a bit behind it seems SpaceX so if we get this stuff coming out does SpaceX have some stuff in the background that they're working on or they're holding back on or that they can push forward with
I'm under the impression there are thousands of patents across multiple different organizations, entities and companies that will be ready to go as and when you get some more bigger form of disclosure Yeah. And again, folks, just to mention, I've put a non-spoiler review of Disclosure Day out and a spoiler one comes out tomorrow for everyone. But yeah, I got to see that yesterday.
Gihu, I think that's how I pronounce it, says, I like the call to action and the promise of protection. If nothing else, these two points take the conversation forward. Yeah, they're clearly trying to see if they can get that standalone bill put through that waives NDAs, that protects whistleblowers.
There are so many more whistleblowers in the background that are not called Grush, Matthew Brown, Dylan Borland, etc.
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Chapter 8: What are Andy's plans for upcoming interviews with key figures in the UFO community?
that have come forward, who want to come forward. but don't and can't because they see it's not safe that it's going to affect their careers their their future prospects their families far too much to do so and they need that level of protection which right now they've said they don't have and they're not getting Dan Sim I'm keeping an eye on the BBC to see if they pick up on this but nothing yet
yeah what are we on this is tuesday i was going to say saturday i'm so messed up with timings right now tuesday yeah midweek so it's not friday where these things can get buried sometimes um so perhaps something gets picked up on this but i'm intrigued to see how the media do do treat this one um so matt said it was clear that the heat was putting pressure on them to wrap up was hoping grush was going to get to speak more
I'm also under the impression, Matt, that they were going to vote. So the congressmen and women had to also leave because they were going to literally vote on other things. I've seen people taking pictures of Rain Wilson, the guy from the office. He was there, but not as part of the UAP thing. He was voting on something else or talking about something else.
So other stuff is going on in the capital today. And it seems like this was very much another item on the agenda for the day before they went off to do other things. But I appreciate if it's hot there as well, yeah.
Grush Luke says yeah Grush casually revealing intelligent plasmoids I'd like to think that's something that he will go into more or at least speak about more in future Richard a bit disappointing that there was no truth bomb but I have to remind myself of where we are today versus just four years ago yeah that's a good shout Richard I think if you had this
event happen in 2017 for example it would be so eye-opening and so mind-blowing and knock people for six it shows you just how far we have come that it's just another oh that was interesting wasn't it or that you're even allowed to be disappointed with this and you are you always are so yeah really really interesting point mate well made
CC said I think Luna who is a junior representative is being political and to a degree staying in line with the White House and her leadership notice how more frank Burleson and Burchett are yeah that's a good shout I always feel Luna has higher aspirations, more so than where she is now. There's Stormy saying, don't trust Luna. Her career is more important. She seems to have higher aspirations.
Burchett's always been really honest. And even when I've spoke to him on the podcast, he talks about the level he's at, the level of funding he feels he has as a ceiling.
any progression and maybe he's just he knows where he's at is where he's going to get to Luna I get the feeling at her age and her profile she's a good looking woman loads of folks love her she's very marketable across the board so politically she's got value whether you like it or not so maybe she does see herself going a lot further forward like Rubio does Rubio clearly has his eyes on a presidency run down the line too so yeah not an unfair point
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