NBA Daily Mailbag | Morning Shoot Around
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What time does the Morning Shootaround usually go live?
Welcome to the Morning Shootaround here on the Athletic NBA Daily. We're live on YouTube. If you want to join us, we're typically live around 1 o'clock Central Standard Time. Nobody lives Central Time, Andrew. What are you talking about?
There's a lot of people who live Central Time. Statistically, though, we use Eastern Time because most people live there.
Sure, but people understand. People understand time zones? I don't know if people understand time zones.
Let's see, Chicago, Denver.
Denver's Mountain Time.
Mountain Time? Oh, no. Mountain Time, yeah.
Anyways, who cares? But not even that big of a city. Listen, we're live right now. Okay, all right. We are going to do a mailbag today, so we appreciate questions from Twitter, from Blue Sky, and from where I'm going to start is our Discord. So we do have an Athletic NBA Daily Discord. You can find the link in the show notes of the podcast. And we would love to have you join us on our Discord. Also, if you happen to be in the chat right now, you can ask questions in the chat, and we'll answer questions from there, too. We'll try to answer as many as we can today. Okay, this one comes from H. Folar Thorin. I don't know if that's how you say what you wrote, but that's how I'm saying it. Okay, he actually has three questions.
Oh. What is your current favorite advanced analytics stat? What is an example of it working? What is an example of it not working, like EPM or PER? S, what's your go-to right now?
PER sucks, in my opinion.
In your face, John Holland. Well, hang on.
Hang on. Wait a second. Let me defend my guy, John Hollinger. Wait, wait, wait. Historically, PER is fine.
Well, wait. No, no, no. Historically, catch-all stats are all bad. No, no. I mean comparing to NBA history. PERs, yeah. Right.
But I'm saying all catch-all stats are bad, period. And this is not coming from me.
What are the most interesting advanced analytics stats in the NBA?
This is if you ask Seth Partnow, who is, you know, well-renowned as like the head of like king of analytics. Like these catch-all stats are all bad. bad. I would say box plus minus, maybe like the real plus minus kind of gives you a sense from game to game and maybe week to week. But I think these catchalls are all bad, um, in defense of PR, which was at its time, one of the betters.
Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, what is my go-to? I don't necessarily have a go-to. I think EPM is good. The dunks and threes, uh, EPM is solid.
Um,
It has a good baseline. But again, truthfully, it's like a tool in the toolbox. It's never the entire toolbox. It's one thing you can use to validate and justify something that you're watching. But sometimes it will not match anything. And I speak as a guy who obviously watches a lot of basketball, but also can see impact on a basketball court. and what some guys do that might not show up on the box score, that ends up not counting on EPM or any of these advanced metrics. So yeah, I don't think you can use any of them as like, hey, this is the one thing. I know there's a lot of guys who also love the Darko graph. You guys know the DPM Darko graph. That's fun. It's cool to look at. But again, how much are you really...
basing anything off of you know but there's people who live by it which i think is the dangerous thing not even dangerous we're talking about sports oh it's dangerous yeah it's dangerous online trust me it is i do like box plus minus i think it's generally pretty pretty good but especially when talking about the top, like the top three guys in BPM right now is Jokic, Shea, Giannis. Good job. But then like Reed Shepard is 12th and he's had a nice season, but you can't tell me that Reed Shepard is a top 12 player in the NBA. Right. It's not, it shouldn't be used. You can't tell me that Michael Porter Jr. is the 19th best player in the NBA. Those are examples of how it's not working. But typically, I think... I use it more for the very best players in the league.
Rarely is there an error in the top four or five-ish. Four is Luka. I feel like that stat is doing a good job of capturing what's happening at the very top. It's when you get into... like the teens where it's like, yeah, I don't think Mikael Bridges is the ninth best player in the NBA this year.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What time does the Morning Shootaround usually go live?
0:08–2:17
2
What are the most interesting advanced analytics stats in the NBA?
2:17–6:04
3
How do advanced metrics impact player evaluations?
6:04–11:36
4
What are the implications of the Thunder winning the lottery?
11:36–15:58
5
Who are the players that should be in the Hall of Fame?
15:58–20:50
6
What are the funniest player interactions shared in the episode?
20:50–26:58
7
How do the Thunder's current roster dynamics affect their future?
26:58–32:37
8
What are the potential trades discussed for the upcoming season?
32:37–1:07:23