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The Athletic NBA Daily

Wemby vs. The World

12 Jan 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

9.059 - 34.349 Dave DuFour

Good morning and welcome to the NBA Daily presented by Amazon Prime for January 12th, 2026. Coming up, the Wolves get a big win over the Spurs, but Wemby had a pretty good weekend. We'll talk about that. The Nuggets win without Jokic again. And we're going to check in on the West. Are the Thunder still the favorites? Good morning, everybody. Good morning, guys. Hope you had a good weekend.

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34.369 - 39.015 Dave DuFour

You guys were busy all weekend. Spent a bunch of time in the arena all weekend, huh?

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39.181 - 43.306 Zena Keita

Yeah. Yeah. A little bit of doing some work, doing our job.

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Chapter 2: What happened in the Timberwolves vs. Spurs game?

43.366 - 44.047 Zena Keita

What's that like?

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44.408 - 50.435 Es Baraheni

What's that like? Doing our jobs. We're locked in. We're locked in.

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50.516 - 71.006 Dave DuFour

It's very funny when I get ready for this show and I have Xena doing Warriors postgame on on the television while I'm like typing up my notes and waiting on Xena to show, you know, like. Yeah, it's a lot of fun for me. And then S is just, I guess you're just going to watch Raptors Sixers for the rest of your life now. Look, it's a great game.

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Chapter 3: Why are the Thunder considered favorites in the Western Conference?

71.086 - 88.677 Dave DuFour

If it's like anything like tonight, why not? That's pretty good. We'll talk about that game in a minute. Guys, we got to start with the game of the weekend, and that's the Timberwolves and Spurs on Sunday. It was the second night of a back-to-back for the Spurs, okay? So we'll just start with that caveat. But they started out this game on a 16-0 run.

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88.837 - 110.093 Dave DuFour

I mean, they did not look tired at all to start the game. The Wolves clawed back into this game. Big run that started at the end of the third quarter. They were down 16 points with a minute and 12 left in that third quarter. They came back, get the win on an Anthony Edwards game winner over Victor Wemenyama. Poetic.

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110.073 - 127.508 Dave DuFour

As we've been talking about the Wolves, man, they are now 16 and six since Thanksgiving. That's the best record in the NBA over that stretch. They got a big win here over the Spurs. You know, they beat the Thunder. I mean, this team is for real and they always step up against these big time opponents.

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127.623 - 149.216 Zena Keita

Yeah, it's funny because you look at their record and they're about 500 against teams better than 500. So they're staying afloat. But like you said, they're beating the good teams. Like if you beat the Spurs and Thunder, that means you're in good position. And the one stat I would bring up is there are five teams right now in the NBA that have a top 10 offense and top 10 defense.

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149.236 - 167.885 Zena Keita

And usually, folks, when you have that, you're in really good shape when it comes to the postseason. Very, very good shape to make, at the very least, a long playoff run. It's the Oklahoma City Thunder. It's the San Antonio Spurs. It's the Houston Rockets, who we'll get to in a little bit. It's the Detroit Pistons. And it's the Minnesota Timberwolves.

168.006 - 180.546 Zena Keita

The Timberwolves have looked excellent, like you said, since Thanksgiving. And, yeah, it's the offense clicking. It's the defense clicking. Rudy Gobert is having a very good season for them. They look really, really good right now.

180.526 - 195.034 Es Baraheni

I just love the fact that Anthony Edwards and Julius Randle have continued what we saw last year. I mean, Anthony Edwards has that. He started rough, right? He had a rough shooting night to start the night last night, but then he ends up hitting that game winner in front of Wemby.

Chapter 4: How did the Nuggets perform without Nikola Jokić?

195.114 - 200.465 Es Baraheni

It was poetic, right? Well, it was not a game winner in the time. It was still 17 seconds left or so.

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200.485 - 201.066 Unknown

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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201.046 - 222.609 Es Baraheni

You can see that he's really grown in his poise. I think Gobert mentioned postgame that in that, he probably would have taken a step back last year, and he actually went to the basket on that point. And then you see Julius Randle, how much of a tool he's been for them. Not only, we could talk about the offense, right? He had 15 points, eight rebounds, great, okay.

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223.07 - 243.496 Es Baraheni

But defensively, we forget this guy is massive. Like he was the guy that was also like, I don't know, stonewalling Wemby in that last play that forced that clanker. And that's what you want to see. And we know that Wemby doesn't necessarily, when he gets physical with folks, that's when his game gets a little bit off balance.

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243.516 - 261.904 Es Baraheni

And that is exactly what you want to see out of Julius Randle, not only being the offensive juggernaut that he is in organizing thing, but also kind of being like a defensive clutch guy. Like he can handle those moments. So it's huge. Both teams now what top four in the West. That's big.

262.125 - 269.919 Zena Keita

Yeah. Timberwolves are climbing up to your point about Randall. The great thing about Randall is one. He's very strong. Yeah.

269.98 - 271.823 Es Baraheni

Right. Yeah. And so when you answer.

271.803 - 293.426 Zena Keita

When like it's a Wemby type of player and we've seen what kind of defenders they throw at Victor Wemby. It's the stronger wing type players. And we saw the Celtics try to do the same thing last night. Right. But it was Wemby who took advantage and the mid-range game was open for him, whether it was Jordan Walsh on him, whether it was Hugo Gonzalez, whether it was Keita. It didn't matter.

293.466 - 313.032 Zena Keita

Wemby got his game off. And that's how we got that game winner against the Celtics. Fast forward to the Timberwolves game, and Julius Randle has that combination of strength and length that makes it a lot more difficult for Wemby to get those shots off. So that's sort of like scouting reports for teams as they want to face the Spurs moving forward, even in the playoffs.

Chapter 5: How are the Timberwolves performing this season?

337.499 - 357.436 Dave DuFour

But back to the Wolves real quick. There's a clip of Julius Randle, like, rubbing his hands and looking at Wemby. Like, getting ready to guard him. Right? Like, they... you know, Wendy is going to bring this out in guys, but it's good to see Julius Randall, like take the defensive challenge. I mean, he, he also didn't have a great offensive night, but he found a way to contribute.

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357.636 - 372.96 Dave DuFour

And this is a team that needs that because one of the biggest problems they have is when Rudy Gobert isn't on the court, their defense really does fall off a cliff. And so if Julius Randall can be a guy who at least plays big in the moments that they need them, that helps them out quite a bit.

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373.02 - 380.7 Dave DuFour

And we got to note as good of a season as Rudy Gobert is having, he's having a bad season between the ears. Um, uh,

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380.68 - 402.975 Dave DuFour

kind of he got a flagrant foul he's got enough flagrant points that he's going to miss their next game he got suspended for their next game uh it was a a reckless closeout which listen this whole reckless closeout thing is debatable anyway um but it was on victor women yama i mean that one was a pretty clear violation by rudy i think he did invade that landing space um but

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402.955 - 424.679 Dave DuFour

So it wasn't something totally egregious, but he did have a bad foul before the ball was inbounds later. So just don't worry. Like, Rudy is still having a great season, but he's going to miss that next game. Okay, let's talk about Wemby because Wemby, you know, look, he was excellent in the game against the Wolves. And he was pretty incredible in the game Saturday against Boston.

425.56 - 445.062 Dave DuFour

He went on a 9-0 run by himself against the Timberwolves in the second quarter. And I mean literally by himself. He was making defensive plays and offensive plays. And these are the sort of stretches, Zena, that we've talked about a lot, where he just can take it over. 16 points in the second half against Boston, had the game winner, and...

445.042 - 465.801 Dave DuFour

When when we talk about him as this defense player of the year guy, he's the best defender in the league. And a lot of that's just he's seven, six. But the offensive part of his game, we see these these moments. He started to string these together where it's multiple possessions, you know, five, six, seven, eight possessions in a row. Him calling for the ball and making a play.

466.642 - 471.967 Es Baraheni

Yeah, he had 29 points in 27 minutes. That's wild.

472.968 - 495.568 Es Baraheni

I was laughing as you were saying the string of plays that you put together because if you watch those clips back, it's so funny, but it's just Rudy Gobert, whether he's getting blown by or just Wemby's pulling back for a shot, Rudy just stares at the ball go through the basket, but the ball goes through the basket and he just kind of takes an extra pause.

Chapter 6: What role does Julius Randle play for the Timberwolves?

758.508 - 770.732 Es Baraheni

We'll get to it. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. I just want to, do you know that Peyton Watson is averaging just under 24 points per game over the last seven games? Yeah. It's absurd. That's wild. It is. Yeah. It is. Absolutely. They,

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770.712 - 781.021 Zena Keita

I mean, there's a lot of questions about like him and his, you know, free agency decision in the summer. Can they keep him? It's not a can. They have to keep him.

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781.121 - 799.518 Dave DuFour

I mean, we talked about this a little bit. If the shooting for him is real, if he's a 37% three point shooter now with that defense. Oh, man. Yeah, that's good. Again, Calvin Booth. Great job. Raptors Sixers. As you were in the building for this, a bit of a wild game, man.

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799.738 - 800.719 Unknown

Absurd game.

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800.699 - 816.008 Dave DuFour

It's the battle for the fourth seed. The Raptors came into the game with a half game lead. They leave with a full game lead and they're going to play again tomorrow or I guess tonight. Man, what happened at the end of this game? I thought for sure that the Sixers had this thing wrapped up.

815.988 - 837.714 Zena Keita

Yeah, look, the Sixers were up four with 15 seconds left, and the Raptors used their challenges really well. There was an out-of-bounds call where Darko Ryakovic won a challenge, and then they got two points out of that, and then won another out-of-bounds challenge, and then were able to tie the game on a Jamal Shedd shot. So just kind of luck. They fought until... Hot potato shot, by the way.

837.734 - 850.417 Dave DuFour

A very hot potato shot. CMB, Colin Murray-Bowles should have probably taken the shot It reminded me of the LaMelo-Colin Sexton play from last week where LaMelo had like a layup.

850.858 - 851.82 Unknown

And he dumped it off to Colin Sexton.

851.84 - 861.722 Dave DuFour

And he dumped it off to Colin Sexton, who had a worse shot. But Jamal Shedd somehow banks this. It wasn't only a layup. It was a floater. Yeah. It was kind of a push shot. Yes. Yeah.

Chapter 7: What impact does Victor Wembanyama have on the Spurs?

1287.887 - 1295.517 Es Baraheni

I don't think I knew that you were gravitating towards that all the way. Until that very end. So I'm happy we're there.

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1295.537 - 1297.78 Zena Keita

I want it to be defined.

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1297.84 - 1316.706 Es Baraheni

Yeah, exactly. No, I'm with that too. I think you laid out the case very beautifully for the Denver Nuggets. And I don't know if I have to lay out the case for the Spurs, who have already beaten the Thunder three times. But I just appreciate the fact that the Spurs are the ones that kind of showed us, oh, the Thunder are gettable.

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1316.686 - 1339.943 Es Baraheni

Like there is a factor of the fact that there is a factor of a team that good that can't shoot threes very well. Or, you know, a team that good that suffers some injuries or has some rotation lineup, you know, discrepancies. And all of a sudden they're human. It's like, we appreciate you Spurs. You made them human again for us. Now, I do think that there was such...

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1339.923 - 1367.112 Es Baraheni

a gap and a chasm between how good the Thunder were in comparison to everyone else, that they've just now become an average top team. I would say that now I'm looking at it like it's not so obvious that it's the Thunder of the field. They're gettable. And so if I put my money on something, I would look at if there's any team in the field I'd look at, it's the Spurs. They've done it before. But

1367.277 - 1370.642 Es Baraheni

I'm with you on the final decision of the field overall.

1371.262 - 1390.028 Dave DuFour

Yeah, I mean, look, this is a hyperbolic conversation. I mean, the Thunder, it's there's so much parody and the Thunder did get pushed so much last year, but they did. They felt like a freight train to start the season. And so I think that when you look now and it's like, OK, they are kind of in this. It's more of a cluster.

1390.008 - 1417.587 Dave DuFour

of of contenders in the west now and what did you say s the the four of the five teams that are top 10 in offense top 10 in defense are in the west it's okc minnesota yep houston okc minnesota houston san antonio and that's right and that doesn't include the nuggets right so like what I actually, you know, I picked the Nuggets to win the title coming into the season. I love this newfound depth.

1418.048 - 1436.07 Dave DuFour

My concern about the Nuggets is the defense. And especially when Jokic is out there, because what we haven't seen is them, you know, be a top 10 defense with Jokic on the court. And I think that's probably something that you at least have to be able to touch that. you know, that sort of level.

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