Episode 4: The Underground Exorcist
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What led the Hitchings family to consider an exorcism?
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Donald, I'm being serious now. No more games. Me, my mum and dad.
Shirley.
Nan, John, all of us. We don't want to be famous. Not like this. And we're scared, so please. Will you go away?
What does that mean? No. No.
How did that make you feel, Shirley? Oh, we all went, oh, you know. This is the point where the newspaper reports start changing and suddenly it's all about Shirley having a ghost as a boyfriend. Yes, I used to say, oh, rubbish, you know. But no, oh, they run with that. You know, it came out in the next day's paper that the ghost who'd fallen in love with Shirley. Oh, it was utter rubbish. I didn't want any of it. You know, I used to say, make it stop, Dad. I hate him.
Episode 4, The Underground Exorcist. Oh, thank you. The coffee's just arrived. I think about us now, Shirley, and here we are talking in lockdown. And it feels almost like your family was in lockdown back in 1956. You were holed up in the house, surrounded by press and people who've come to gawp. You didn't want to go out. Oh, no, none of us could. We couldn't. John couldn't go to work, though he did most days. He skipped out. Nan never went out. My dad couldn't definitely go to work because we were up all night and he couldn't drive a train in that situation. Anything could have happened.
You're covered in sweat. I was dreaming about work. God, it was horrible.
He's back.
I can't take it, Kitty. I can't take it anymore.
I'm with our investigators, Kieran O'Keefe and Evelyn Hollow. So, Kieran and Evelyn, we're seeing how the case is taking a real toll on the family. And it feels like the press attention is a big part of that. We've all just been looking through this file of newspaper cuttings we've got, all the headlines on the case. And it's pretty shocking, this growing story that Donald is Shirley's ghostly lover.
Yes, absolutely. And really, in terms of the paper, some of the headlines and things that they write about are pretty harrowing because we have to remember how young she is in this. She's a teenager. And the Daily Herald was saying things like Shirley's private spook gets rough. They're sort of romanticising it and poking fun at her, but they're also sexualising it at the same time. It's incredibly grim. She's a teenage girl. This case feels weirdly appropriate for the 1950s.
It's the era when that concept of the modern teenager was invented.
You've got post-war, huge interest in ghosts, but absolutely this 50s obsession with teenagers and teenage culture and kind of development into adulthood.
How did media coverage affect Shirley's experience with Donald?
The newspapers are effectively continuing that narrative of obsessions, but actually using the hook of a poltergeist relationship.
Why do you think we are, as a society, so in love with these stories of haunted female teens?
It maybe links back into evolutionary psychology. Where is the point where, as a society, you stop seeing young women as little girls? If you look at period romances, even like Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley, we're fascinated with the point where young girls start having to meet up with potential partners. Women are seen as something to be wooed or chased. They're a possession. And then we start getting this sort of paranormal fascination of them being possessively enraptured with something that is dead or beyond a force. And then we romanticize that as if it's not a form of abuse.
Right, and the headlines aren't just affecting Shirley. It's clearly having a big impact on Wally, too. All those sleepless nights and his worries about Shirley. It's starting to reach crisis point. Oh, you look awfully jinxed. Sit down. I meant to be starting shift, sir.
We think you should take time off.
Oh, right.
Got to think of the passengers. Yes. Couple of weeks or so. Paid, obviously. Oh, thank you. Half pay. Hopefully it'll all blow over. Will it? I don't know. It changes. Are you all right, mate? I don't know, sir. Go home, then. Sleep. Sleep.
Wally! Harry! You alright? I thought there was someone behind me. Platform's empty, mate. Glad I saw you, though.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What led the Hitchings family to consider an exorcism?
0:00–5:12
2
How did media coverage affect Shirley's experience with Donald?
5:12–8:19
3
What insights do parapsychologists provide about the case?
8:19–14:31
4
What are the risks involved in performing an exorcism?
14:31–17:56
5
How does Harry Hanks plan to help Shirley?
17:56–25:28
6
What ethical concerns arise during exorcism rituals?
25:28–28:13
7
How do exorcisms impact the individuals involved?
28:13–31:27
8
What dramatic events unfold during the séance?
31:27–32:29