Chapter 1: What does Michelle Obama discuss about women's empowerment?
Well, folks, Michelle Obama. Who? Oh, that's Big Mike, man. She did it. She finally did it. She went on the world's most important podcast, the podcast that won Kamala Harris the presidency. That podcast is Call Her Daddy, hosted by one Alex Cooper. She's the former barstool personality who basically just does podcasts talking about sex and then talking with celebrities about sex.
And then apparently sometimes talking with celebrities not about sex, but mostly that would be political celebrities. So my producers forced me to go through this podcast. And so here I am. having run the gauntlet for you, the people. Here she was talking about women's empowerment, Michelle Obama with Alex Cooper of Call Her Daddy.
Even you speaking, right, we're talking about objectification because we as women experience that every day and then you're dealing with it on the world stage. I also love it because you have a pattern of challenging norms. And you refuse to shrink or to conform to the patriarchy, which I love.
And in your book, you talk about learning that, quote, if you can't beat them, work their fascination to your advantage.
Chapter 2: How does Alex Cooper's podcast style influence the conversation?
It's one of my favorite quotes, truly, because it's so relatable. Yeah. Like from a very young age as women, we learn how to shapeshift essentially. And we constantly- We have to. We have to. It's unavoidable, right? Biologically.
To survive. Just to survive.
Oh, good Lord. Good Lord. All these victimized women who are very rich and famous. By the way, this is a lady who has hosted shows with people like Chelsea Handler, drugs, dog parks, and appointments. Hannah Berner, all dented and faking dirty talk. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. So much no's.
I'm sure the people who are listening in on this are desperately in need of some Schopenhauer analysis. That is why they are tuning in. Or they're there for the Shulamith Firestone take on the objectification of women and the evils of the patriarchy. It is hard to think of two people less victimized by the patriarchy than Alex Cooper and Michelle Obama. But I guess here we are now.
That is exciting. Also, Alex Cooper, when she talks about, you know, the evils of the patriarchy and its objectification standards and what women are expected to do, she likes posing in certain types of... She might be like, you know, I don't know, promoting the objectification standards a little bit. Michelle also spoke to Alex Cooper about workplace fashion and male bosses.
You know, women don't have to dress a certain way to lead on somebody who has misogynistic, you know, a lot of times we blame ourselves and say, well, if I, you know, look, you leaned in because you wore that dress and you, you know, but it is a tricky balance because, you know, if you're in a professional setting and wearing a dress or a certain, if that is the standard,
then you are a little, you know, you do have to be thoughtful.
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Chapter 3: What claims does Michelle Obama make about gender roles?
So we have to think a lot more. I mean, it's just, this is also what I'm saying in the book, right? I mean, to strike that balance and to be thoughtful about what messages we're sending, giving, receiving, men don't do that. My husband wasn't doing that. Same suit, put on blue suit, white shirt, different tie, you know?
Okay, I just have one point to make about this. It is hilarious to me that women think that men sit around analyzing what they're wearing. It is hilarious to me, truly hilarious. Basically, men, when it comes to women, they have a very easy standard. Do you look good in that or not? That's the standard.
If you ask me what my wife wore two days ago, I have no idea what she wore two days ago because I'm a dude. You want to know why dudes dress the same every day? Because we don't care what we wear. You can ask me what any dude in my office wore. Anytime in the last year, I would have no idea. None. You could ask me what I wore three days ago. I have no idea.
And the only reason I know what I wore yesterday is because I don't have short-term memory loss. That's literally the only reason. Because no one cares. Basically, as long as you are dressed not like a complete schlub or like a complete... prostitute, or gigolo, no one is going to care about any of this. It's ridiculous. Women dress for women, okay? Let's be real about this.
That is what women get into. Okay, when my wife is packing for some sort of big event, and she says, I can't wear what I wore last year, I say to her, who's even thinking about what you wore last year? And she's like, well, everyone's going to notice. And you know who she means? She means all the other women, because they do. They all notice. what they all wore last year.
But Michelle Obama being called, too many men are going to be sitting around analyzing what I wouldn't be. I don't care what you're wearing, lady. I don't care at all. It makes no difference to me whatsoever. The only reason that Hillary Clinton's pantsuits became a thing is because she wore like the same pantsuit, but in eight different colors. And it was kind of funny.
It's kind of a meme, but that's about it. Ain't nobody sitting around worrying about what Michelle Obama's wearing other than like the fashion critic at the LA Times talking about how brazen she is and how brave she is for what she's wearing. So silly. Also, I'm just going to point out that in this very interview, Alex Cooper's very first note to Michelle Obama was that her outfit was cute.
Talk to me about your outfit. How did you pick it?
My outfit, this is a Meredith Koop original.
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Chapter 4: In what ways does Ben Shapiro critique Michelle Obama's views?
And as we were thinking about promotions for the tour, there is a...
I had many women on my program. I have never once a single time commented on their outfit. Not one time. By the way, not for dudes either. Unless I'm making fun of like Michael Knowles wearing an ascot or something. It is real gay, man. It's real gay. I mean, very literally. It's sometimes difficult to get sleep.
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Alex Cooper then went on to admit that she wore tighter clothes at Barstool for the opportunities, which is a real way of standing up to the patriarchy there, Alex.
We have to acknowledge that women just have such a different standard that we're held to. And I appreciate you acknowledging that. Yes, there is a different level of privilege as the two of us sitting here right now and the outfit choices that we're making. Yes, we can decide to send a message that we're wearing. But it a lot of times right now in our position, we are not being
held to, well, you wore that so you're not gonna get the job now. But if you rewound to our lives, like when I was a younger girl, I did dress a specific way because I knew I was in a male dominated industry and I knew I would have a better time if I wore a tighter shirt because the guy would maybe give me more attention.
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Chapter 5: How does workplace fashion impact women's professional lives?
See, we're even evolving. What do I call myself? We're changing up here. It's like I went through that too when I got married. I was like, okay, I'm going to be Michelle Robinson Obama. I did that. I was in a real career and I felt like this is a lot of name.
It feels like a little silly.
Michelle Robinson Obama. Hello. I did that for like a month and I was like, OK, that that's I'm tired. You know, I got to write that down. That's long. Three syllables for three names. Too much. He wasn't going through this. He wasn't changing his license and his Social Security number. And, you know, he he
you know so yeah another way that we evolve in good lord you want to know where the tradition came from that a woman takes the family name of the husband the reason that that exists is because when you have children you want to know who the father of the children is it turns out it's very easy to find out who the mom of a child is because she's biologically connected to the child she was pregnant with the child and had the baby but dad was there only at the very beginning
And so she takes dad's name to signify that the child should take the dad's name. That is the reason. That would be the reason right there. This is so stupid. Everyone is a victim. Everyone in the world is a victim, including people who literally have benefited from the patriarchy. Michelle Obama is only famous because her last name is Obama and not Robinson.
And why are we pretending that this isn't the case? Again, Alex Cooper may have had an innate level of talent on her own, but... to pretend that she sort of built this whole thing out on her own and that she was not helped by men or that men were the sort of main obstacles to her success, that she succeeded in spite of the patriarchy. She hosts a sex podcast. Are you kidding me?
And again, it's even more about Michelle Obama, like Michelle Obama complaining about the patriarchy. That's like Hillary Clinton complaining about the patriarchy. Lady, you weren't elected to jack squat. You weren't elected to anything. You are only famous because your hubby was president. It is the only reason anyone has ever heard of you. And you know, it's kind of funny.
The people who you never hear complaining about the patriarchy are women who don't have famous husbands. Margaret Thatcher, never complained about the patriarchy. Goulda Mayer, never complained about the patriarchy. It turns out that there are a lot of very successful people who made it without their husbands being very famous, who don't tend to complain too much about the patriarchy.
You know why? Because they made it without the help of the patriarchy. It's kind of an amazing thing. Meanwhile, we hear from Michelle Obama and Alex Cooper about not dividing people. You know, you want to make sure that you don't divide people, says Michelle Obama, one of the most divisive political figures of our time.
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Chapter 6: What are the implications of objectification in the media?
Why don't you vote in solidarity, ladies? What are you doing here?
Um... Okay, we are cooked. 50 years ago... We were fighting for the Equal Rights Bill. There are people alive today that couldn't marry the opposite race, couldn't love who you loved. I mean, this is recent history of a country that's been around for hundreds and hundreds of years. It's been going along this way, and then, boop, there's a local change. It just happened.
But that means that the remnants of what has been there and what we've been socialized is really deeply embedded in who we are. And whether people really feel yet that they can follow a woman as president, like we would just be silly to think that there aren't just some gut kind of, I don't know.
I'm sorry, I'm falling asleep. I'm sorry, she's interminable. I'm falling asleep. I'm falling asleep. Yes, you're a victim, lady. You're a victim. You've been elected to zero things. You're a victim. The ladies are the victims. I'm just going to point out at this point that women represent a significant majority of the electorate.
In 2024, men represented 82.6 million registered voters in the United States. Women represented 91.3 million voters in the United States. And women are a majority of the people with college degrees. And what are we talking about here? What are we talking about here? Maybe you should stop running crappy candidates like Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris. I don't know. It's a thought.
She then was asked if Barack Obama would run for a third term if President Trump changes the law. And she gives the only good answer, I think, of this interview.
If Trump does change the law and runs for a third term, hypothetically, do you think that your husband would consider running? I hope not.
Michelle. I would actively work against that. The whole world starts crying. I would be at home working against it. And maybe a lot of people would be like, good, we don't want him anyway. And I'm like, yeah, that's what I, right.
Okay, so you're like not interested.
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