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Ep. 2186 - Investigating “Putin’s Brain” + Zelensky Part II

Fri, 25 Apr 2025

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We drop Part II of our exclusive interview with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky; we analyze what Russia truly wants with a deep dive into “Putin’s brain”; and China tries to hold up President Trump. Click here to join the member-exclusive portion of my show: https://bit.ly/3WDjgHE Ep.2186 - - - Facts Don’t Care About Your Feelings - - - DailyWire+: We’re leading the charge again and launching a full-scale push for justice. Go to https://PardonDerek.com right now and sign the petition. Now is the time to join the fight. Watch the hit movies, documentaries, and series reshaping our culture. Go to https://dailywire.com/subscribe today. Get your Ben Shapiro merch here: https://bit.ly/3TAu2cw - - - Today's Sponsors: Perplexity is an AI-powered answer engine that searches the internet to deliver fast, unbiased, high-quality answers, with sources and in-line citations. Ask Perplexity anything here: https://pplx.ai/benshapiro SimpliSafe - Visit https://SIMPLISAFE.com/SHAPIRO to claim 50% off a new system with a professional monitoring plan and get your first month free. Tax Network USA - For a complimentary consultation, call today at 1 (800) 958-1000 or visit their website at https://TNUSA.com/SHAPIRO LifeLock - Join now and save up to 40% your first year. Call 1 (800) LifeLock and use promo code BEN or go to https://LifeLock.com/BEN for 40% off. Terms apply. Grand Canyon University - Find your purpose at Grand Canyon University. Visit https://gcu.edu today. Blinds - Get up to 45% off for a limited time at https://Blinds.com and tell them The Ben Shapiro Show sent you at checkout. - - - Socials: Follow on Twitter: https://bit.ly/3cXUn53 Follow on Instagram: https://bit.ly/3QtuibJ Follow on Facebook: https://bit.ly/3TTirqd Subscribe on YouTube: https://bit.ly/3RPyBiB

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Chapter 1: Why did Ben Shapiro travel to Ukraine during the war?

0.229 - 15.836 Ben Shapiro

Well, folks, we'll get to all the news plus the second part of my interview with President Zelensky in just one moment. First, a big question that I've been getting since we released the trailer for that interview with President Zelensky is why actually go to a nation in the middle of a war? And the answer is simple, because getting the facts matters. The truth matters.

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15.937 - 36.41 Ben Shapiro

And you, our Daily Wire members, deserve the truth. You deserve answers. This is the kind of journalism your support makes possible. This is the community that actually fights for your values. Join us right now at dailywire.com slash subscribe. Well, a couple of days ago, right after we left Ukraine, the Russians launched one of the biggest salvos of the war all across Ukraine, drones, missiles.

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36.83 - 57.687 Ben Shapiro

One of those missiles struck an apartment complex in Kiev. It killed at least 12 people. This prompted President Trump to take to Truth Social and issue a statement, quote, not necessary and very bad timing. Vladimir, stop. 5,000 soldiers a week are dying. Let's get the peace deal done. He said, I'm not happy with the Russian strikes on Kyiv. Okay, well, that is not going to get it done.

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58.467 - 81.926 Ben Shapiro

I'm sorry, but yelling at Vladimir Putin over Truth Social is not the thing that is going to get it done. President Trump has been very successful at successfully pressuring the Ukrainians to come to the table. He's gotten Vladimir Zelensky to agree to a 30-day ceasefire. However, when it comes to the actual pressure on the Russians, so far that seems to have been largely in abeyance.

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81.986 - 84.208 Ben Shapiro

In fact, President Trump yesterday was asked directly about this.

84.508 - 102.199 Ben Shapiro

He was doing a presser in the Oval Office, and he was asked about what concessions Putin had made thus far, because the United States is asking some pretty large concessions from the Ukrainians, ranging from acknowledgement of Russian ownership over eastern Ukraine and Crimea to the possibility of banning themselves from NATO, essentially.

103.143 - 121.755 Ben Shapiro

and not even getting great security guarantees from the United States or from Europe in the process. That is the proposal that was put on the table by supposed master negotiator Steve Vutkoff, who has yet to actually negotiate a successful deal in any real sense. Well, President Trump was asked about what exactly is Vladimir Putin putting on the table. Here's President Trump's response.

123.116 - 129.2 Reporter

What concessions has Russia offered up thus far to get to the point where you're closer to peace?

130.12 - 135.969 Donald Trump

Stopping the war. Stopping taking the whole country. Pretty big concession.

Chapter 2: What are the current developments and challenges in the Russia-Ukraine conflict?

245.422 - 259.271 Ben Shapiro

Simultaneously, he has suggested that Ukraine is a wild hotbed of social leftism, very big on transgenderism, same-sex marriage, abortion. How do you respond to those two varying accusations about Ukraine itself?

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262.906 - 298.524 Volodymyr Zelenskyy

Well, it's funny to hear about this from Putin, and addressing that to me. Any talks about Nazism directed to me. Through his actions, he came very close to the results of the Nazi regime. that was dominating in Europe like 100 years ago. And Putin is coming very close through the actions of his armed forces, like particularly in the first days of the full-scale war.

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298.544 - 320.139 Volodymyr Zelenskyy

Because in the beginning, when they were like in the very beginning of this full-scale invasion, they were raping people, they were killing people. They were doing everything. And you know, a good example is your meeting. I was told that you had a meeting with the main rabbi. So you had a meeting.

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321.239 - 326.683 Ben Shapiro

So do you think he's an adequate person? Seems like a nice rabbi to me. I've met many rabbis.

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326.703 - 361.446 Volodymyr Zelenskyy

Seems nice. Absolutely adequate. I think he's a heroic person. He's a heroic father. His son is a Jew, their family, it's a Jew family, but his son went to war. Do you think whether his son would be fighting for a Nazi regime? That's, you know, that's not adequate, what Putin is saying. You know, the Jews, they can't be fighting for the Nazi regime. I mean, Rabbi cannot be sending his son.

363.221 - 392.372 Volodymyr Zelenskyy

to the war for the Nazi regime. And there's many a lot, you know, that I have some of the ancestors, Jews, and telling that Ukrainians are Nazis, that I'm a Nazi, and that I represent the Kiev Nazi regime. Look, it's kind of, it's primitive. I think I should, you know, come up with some differing evidences or arguments, at least something,

393.663 - 414.308 Volodymyr Zelenskyy

Because we have solid evidence of a Nazi regime of Putin and the consequences of his war against us. The recognition of his regime as accountable to the International Criminal Court. There's the deportation of Ukrainian children, which is recognized by the whole world.

414.768 - 445.579 Volodymyr Zelenskyy

And he's, some of the leaders close to him, these are the leaders who always had some tight relations, I mean, the economic relations with Russia. those on the Middle East, those somewhere in the Global South, even these leaders, even they are fighting for Putin to return back our children, because the abdication of children, taking them away from their relatives, even those children who

446.639 - 464.303 Volodymyr Zelenskyy

who lost their parents during this war, but taking those children away from the grandparents, I'm sorry, that is something that is truly more like modern Nazis, but that's not like Ukrainian Nazis at all.

Chapter 3: What is President Zelensky's response to accusations of Nazism and social liberalism in Ukraine?

4148.165 - 4149.486 Reporter

Elle, I'm going to the queue.

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4149.626 - 4150.706 Ben Shapiro

You are a queue, honey.

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4150.867 - 4152.487 Reporter

That's what I love about sexuality.

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4152.588 - 4155.469 Ben Shapiro

And you know what British people love more than anything is the queue.

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4155.969 - 4156.77 Reporter

The queue, baby.

4157.89 - 4176.179 Ben Shapiro

What the living, what in the, what? Okay, can I just say that the West is a deeply unserious place now? Like deeply, deeply unserious. There are actual real things happening in the West, and we're worrying about whether Jojo Siwa identifies as a lesbian, i.e. a woman who wants to have sexual relations with other women, or a queer, i.e.

4176.239 - 4192.627 Ben Shapiro

a woman who wants to have sexual relations with other women and maybe others. Like, whoop-de-frickin'-do. She added that non-binary people are the people she feels most like, which, how can she feel like that? Does she feel like a chicken today or a penguin? Like, what? Here we go.

4193.789 - 4213.626 Reporter

I've met a lot of females, love them, don't feel like I'm them. Met a lot of males, love them, definitely not them. Met a lot of people in my life that are non-binary. And these beautiful non-binary people are who I feel the most like. And it's, I don't know, it's not something that I want to say about myself yet, but it's something that is confusing.

4213.646 - 4234.059 Ben Shapiro

Oh, wow. She's like a butterfly emerging from the chrysalis. And she's also, wasn't she like a Nickelodeon star? It is amazing how many of these child stars end up absolutely screwed up at every possible level. Meanwhile, Pedro Pascal, who is the star of the Mandalorians, who is not booted for making Holocaust comparisons, because the way that it works is that if you're Gina Carano,

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