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Ep. 2297 - Will ANYONE Fight The Radicalization?

16 Oct 2025

46 min duration
8825 words
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16 Oct 2025
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President Trump gives Charlie Kirk a posthumous Presidential Medal of Freedom; Democrats continue to embrace radicalism while Republicans debate whether to also embrace radicalism; and President Trump’s “Peace Through Strength” policy continues. Click here to join the member-exclusive portion of my show: https://bit.ly/3WDjgHE Ep.2297 - - - Facts Don’t Care About Your Feelings - - - DailyWire+: Finally, Friendly Fire is here! No moderator, no safe words. TONIGHT at 7pm ET Join us now during our exclusive Deal of the Decade. Get everything for $7 a month. Not as fans. As fighters. Go to DailyWire.com/Subscribe to join now. Get your Ben Shapiro merch here: https://bit.ly/3TAu2cw - - - Today's Sponsors: Perplexity - Ask anything at https://pplx.ai/benshapiro and try out their new AI-powered web browser Comet at https://comet.perplexity.ai/. ExpressVPN - Go to https://expressvpn.com/ben and find out how you can get 4 months of ExpressVPN free! PureTalk - Switch to PureTalk and start saving today! Visit https://PureTalk.com/SHAPIRO Legacybox - Visit https://legacybox.com/SHAPIRO to get 50% off today. Bambee - Right now, get one month of Bambee for just ONE DOLLAR! Go to https://Bambee.com and type in 'Ben Shapiro' under Podcast to schedule your first call with an HR Manager RIGHT NOW! PrizePicks - Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/BEN and use code BEN and get $50 in lineups when you play your first $5 lineup! Dose - Save 35% on your first month subscription by going to https://dosedaily.co/SHAPIRO or entering SHAPIRO at checkout. - - - Socials: Follow on Twitter: https://bit.ly/3cXUn53  Follow on Instagram: https://bit.ly/3QtuibJ  Follow on Facebook: https://bit.ly/3TTirqd  Subscribe on YouTube: https://bit.ly/3RPyBiB - - - Privacy Policy: https://www.dailywire.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Chapter 1: What honor did President Trump bestow upon Charlie Kirk?

0.031 - 21.82 Ben Shapiro

coming up on today's ben shapiro show president trump honors charlie kirk with a posthumous medal of presidential freedom plus we get to a supposed blockbuster politico story about groperism white supremacy ugly stuff inside young republican chats what does that mean and what is the duty of conservatives to quote unquote unify with such stuff we'll get to all of it first october is packed

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39.613 - 61.558 Ben Shapiro

Get 40% off a new annual membership with code FALL40 at dailywire.com. Well, folks, President Trump is back in the United States. And on his first day back in the United States, which was Tuesday, he did something incredibly moving. He posthumously awarded America's highest civilian honor to our friend Charlie Kirk, who, of course, was assassinated just a few weeks ago. Erica Kirk talked as well.

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61.598 - 65.922 Ben Shapiro

Here was the president of the United States granting that extraordinary honor to Charlie.

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66.903 - 92.155 Donald Trump

He was assassinated in the prime of his life for boldly speaking the truth. for living his faith and relentlessly fighting for a better and stronger America. I love this country. And that's why this afternoon it's my privilege to posthumously award Charles James Kirk, our nation's highest civilian honor, the Presidential Medal of Freedom. Thank you.

94.16 - 111.222 Ben Shapiro

And the president did say that he had raced halfway around the globe, of course, and he was going to call Erica Kirk and ask for a delay. And then he realized, actually, that Tuesday was Charlie's birthday, and he said he didn't have it in his heart to actually delay the event. Argentina's president, Javier Mile, stayed on to attend the ceremony as well.

111.703 - 116.689 Ben Shapiro

The president of the United States talked about how Charlie Kirk was what he called a martyr for truth. Here was the president.

117.571 - 142.122 Donald Trump

As I said on the day that he was assassinated, Charlie Kirk was a martyr for truth and for freedom. and from Socrates to think, and to St. Peter, from Abraham Lincoln to Martin Luther King, those who change history the most, and he really did, have always risked their lives for causes they were put on earth to defend.

143.89 - 163.596 Ben Shapiro

And the president went on to say that he was going to continue the fight because Charlie, of course, was not just a Christian activist. He was not just a person who spoke publicly. He was, in fact, a mover and shaker inside the Republican Party. He was a major force behind the reelection of President Trump in 2024. And he was very tight with the vice president of the United States.

Chapter 2: How are Democrats and Republicans responding to radicalism?

213.56 - 223.054 Ben Shapiro

The reason that Charlie was incredibly popular is because of these debates that he did on campus, where he had these open conversations with people and tens of millions, billions, in fact, of views of

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223.034 - 244.307 Ben Shapiro

on places like tick tock that is the reason why you had this extraordinary outpouring of grief and support for erica kirk and tp usa over the course of the last month it remains and it's just a beyond words event that charlie was taken away from the country Again, it's been about a month. Tuesday would have been his 32nd birthday, which is just unthinkable, obviously.

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244.567 - 264.012 Ben Shapiro

The State Department, meanwhile, has made the move to bar foreigners who enter the United States and have a record of wishing death upon Charlie Kirk or celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk. The State Department put out a list of people who it would be barring from the United States. They tweeted out, quote, the United States has no obligation to host foreigners who wish death on Americans.

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The State Department continues to identify visa holders who celebrated the heinous assassination of Charlie Kirk. Here are just a few examples of aliens who are no longer welcome in the United States. An Argentine national. who said that Kirk, quote, devoted his entire life spreading racist, xenophobic, misogynistic rhetoric and deserves to burn in hell. Visa revoked.

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A South African national who mocked Americans grieving the loss of Kirk, saying they're hurt that the racist rally ended and attempted martyrdom and alleging he was used to assert a movement of white nationalist trailer trash. Visa revoked. A Mexican national who said Kirk died being a racist. He died being a misogynist and said there are people who deserve to die.

297.54 - 315.263 Ben Shapiro

There are people who would make the world better off dead. Visa revoked. And that list continues. The State Department says the President and Secretary of State Marco Rubio will defend our borders, our culture, and our citizens by enforcing our immigration laws. Aliens who take advantage of America's hospitality while celebrating the assassination of our citizens will be removed.

315.283 - 333.991 Ben Shapiro

And of course, that makes perfect sense. It is worth noting, by the way, that MSNBC was the only major news network not to air that Medal of Freedom ceremony for Charlie Kirk. which is really quite astonishing, actually. Even CNN aired the ceremony. The fact that MSNBC refused to do so, it wasn't as though there was a lot on the TV at that point.

334.011 - 345.516 Ben Shapiro

I mean, the president of the United States had virtually the entire cabinet there as he honored Charlie Kirk, plus Erica Kirk was there as well. It is typical MSNBC to instead tune to some other topic.

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But this speaks to the broader problem of violence and extremism and radical rhetoric and radical action inside the United States, not just people who are imported from outside the United States who hate, Enormous parts of our culture who hate the central basis of our civilization, but people who have been brought up in the United States to hate precisely that civilization.

Chapter 3: What does 'Peace Through Strength' mean in Trump's policy?

726.82 - 738.737 Ben Shapiro

According to Katie Neubauer and her family, they were attending the Oshkosh farmer's market last Saturday when this moment took place. Here was Katie Neubauer describing to Fox WLUK 11 in Green Bay and surrounding cities.

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739.426 - 753.324 Katie Neubauer

Katie Neubauer says she and her family were enjoying their Saturday morning at the Oshkosh Farmers Market this past weekend. But things took a turn, she says, when her 8-year-old child was handed a bracelet from a member of the Winnebago County Democratic Party's booth.

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753.505 - 765.489 Unknown

The guy behind the tent table said, hey, give this to your mom. She's going to really want this. One of the children comes running up, gives us the bracelet, and we're looking at it, and it literally says, is he dead yet on the bracelet?

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765.569 - 777.7 Katie Neubauer

Neubauer and the Republican Party of Winnebago County assume this was a hate speech reference to President Donald Trump. Fox 11 was unable to get a photo of the bracelets. We've been working to get questions answered by the county Democratic Party.

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778.961 - 794.66 Ben Shapiro

So, again, the fact that this has become so mainstream, and it is. I mean, to pretend that these sort of ideological takes are not mainstream would be to ignore the rising tide of violent rhetoric in the country. It is also worthwhile noting that it is incumbent on people of all sides to condemn this, particularly from their own side.

794.7 - 812.188 Ben Shapiro

It's very easy for people on the right to condemn this stuff because, of course, it's not happening on our side in quite the same way. But when ugly things happen on your own side, yes, you do have some sort of moral duty to take note of this and then to condemn it. Okay, so this brings me to a story from Politico. There's a story from Politico.

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It's making the rounds, creating an enormous amount of dyspepsia on the right particularly. titled, I Love Hitler, Leaked Messages Expose Young Republicans' Racist Chat. Okay, so as we'll see, it is questionable about whether that actual line, I love Hitler, was sort of said in jest or whether it was said... Sort of authentically, right?

831.969 - 845.868 Ben Shapiro

All those pieces of the chat have been released by Politico. So here is the story. Well, leaders of young Republican groups throughout the country worried what would happen if their telegram chat ever got leaked. But they kept typing anyway. They referred to black people as monkeys and the watermelon people and mused about putting their political opponents in gas chambers.

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They talked about raping their enemies and driving them to suicide and lauded Republicans who they believed support slavery. William Hendricks, the Kansas Young Republicans vice chair, used the words N-word with an A at the end and N-word with a UH at the end, variations on the N-word itself, more than a dozen times in the chat.

Chapter 4: What recent actions has the State Department taken regarding Charlie Kirk?

1137.018 - 1153.098 Ben Shapiro

All of that is true. All of that is true. Two... The right doesn't have an obligation to go totally insane over such chats. Okay, what the left likes to do and what the media love to do is they love to take stuff like this and then they say to every member of the Republican Party, you must personally condemn all of this.

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1153.459 - 1163.336 Ben Shapiro

And the answer should be, I'm happy to condemn the crap in there, but why am I responsible for it? I'm not responsible for that. Why is the implication even that I'm responsible for that? I don't believe it.

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1164.177 - 1181.058 Ben Shapiro

And your implication that everyone on the right is responsible for a group of young Republicans who say terrible things in private to one another, that somehow that implicates the entire Republican Party. Well, meanwhile, the attorney general candidate in Virginia publicly says things, and that doesn't implicate the entire Democratic Party.

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1181.078 - 1204.09 Ben Shapiro

I mean, or Zoran Mamdani is going to be your New York mayor. And that dude is just openly pro-terrorism. Like, obviously there is a difference. This Politico story, which is gaining all sorts of traction, is not in fact comparable to actual people running for high office in Virginia or in New York City or the Democratic Party at high levels engaging with this sort of nonsense.

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1205.532 - 1224.841 Ben Shapiro

Third, when you're asked about somebody saying a bad thing, whether you're right or you're left, of course you ought to condemn the bad thing that is being said. I don't even understand the logic of not doing that. Are you obligated to defend the bad thing being said because the person who is questioning you is somehow, quote-unquote, on the other side?

1224.902 - 1244.164 Ben Shapiro

Because that's precisely how you get to a left that defends Jay Jones. That's how you get there. That's how you get to a left that openly defends Zoran Mamdani. Fourth, forgiveness ought to be easily obtained, as I've said. But if you want forgiveness, you actually ought to ask for it. You actually ought to dissociate from the things that you say. I was saying stuff that was dumb.

1244.484 - 1263.17 Ben Shapiro

I got caught up in the edgelord moment online. Like, whatever it is. But the sort of preemptive forgiveness that people are willing to grant to their own side, you only get out of jail free if you ask to do so. You don't get it just preemptively. So you say something terrible or you do something terrible and people just preemptively forgive you.

1264.393 - 1285.884 Ben Shapiro

All that is is an incentivization to do more of that thing. And I will say, finally, it actually is not sufficient to publicly proclaim you're not going to condemn these people while you don't say anything about their comments and instead just project to the other side. Because strategically, on a strategic level, this is how your party ends up being taken over by the ambulatory psychotics.

1286.185 - 1304.08 Ben Shapiro

Okay, I want to look at the left because that's how it happened. The left decided they would not, under any circumstances, condemn their own ambulatory psychotics because those people were part of their coalition and they couldn't do it or they would lose. And you know what ended up happening? The alligator ate them first, not last. They ended up being taken over by the crazy wing.

Chapter 5: What does the Politico story reveal about young Republicans?

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1840.509 - 1860.781 Ben Shapiro

Apparently, there's going to be a debate between Zoram Amdani and Andrew Cuomo and Curtis Sliwa this evening. Sliwa, you know, really is sort of the complicating factor in the race right now. If it comes down to Cuomo and Mamdani, Cuomo has a sort of outsider shot at the mayoralty.

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1862.143 - 1879.464 Ben Shapiro

According to the New York Post, Cuomo and Sliwa will come to the crucial faceoff bearing fresh evidence the socialist frontrunner is unfit to be dog catcher, let alone mayor of New York. This is Michael Goodwin writing for the New York Post. That smoking gun is Mamdani's outrageous reaction to the end of the war in Gaza and the return of 20 living Israeli hostages.

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1880.185 - 1891.441 Ben Shapiro

His Monday statement never mentioned the Hamas invasion of Israel on October 7th, 2023, an effort that can only be described as a putrid whitewash of the slaughter, rape, and infanticide that marked the deadliest day for the Jews since the Holocaust.

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1891.461 - 1912.421 Ben Shapiro

He also didn't mention President Trump's heroic efforts to bring priests, lest it trigger a mass outbreak of Trump derangement syndrome among his radical camp followers. He smeared Israel. He smeared the United States. He said that our tax dollars are funding a genocide. Mamdani, he has refused to condemn bloodlust by his fellow Muslims.

1912.501 - 1931.18 Ben Shapiro

It's on par with his previous refusal to condemn the phrase, globalize the intifada. According to Michael Goodwin, Mamdani still has not denounced the butchers of Hamas, even as they just murder people wholesale on the streets in Gaza. It is truly an amazing thing that all the people who decried the condition of Gazans have gone totally silent when it's Hamas doing the killing.

1932.221 - 1951.324 Ben Shapiro

But that's the Democratic Party. So I'm just asking Republicans, why would you want to copy that? Why would that look like a good strategy to you, either morally or pragmatically? My answer is it isn't. Meanwhile, for his part, President Trump is promising to cut off federal funding for New York City if Mamdani is elected.

1951.777 - 1971.345 Donald Trump

The funding for New York and for every place comes through the White House. And I'm very generous, and I was always very generous with New York, even when you had opposition there, but I was always very generous. But I wouldn't be generous to a communist, a guy that's going to take the money and throw it out the window, because you're talking about hundreds of billions of dollars.

1972.147 - 1979.978 Donald Trump

And we're not going to let somebody get into office and squander the taxpayer money from this country. We're not going to let it happen.

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